DélioPT said:
The N64 might not have been mass market priced at first, but it didn’t take long for that to happen.
Still, they were way cheaper than PS1.
Listening to 3rd parties would most likely help Nintendo fight Sony, but in terms of HW, Saturn was basically the same as PS1 and you didn’t see devs jumping on Saturn.
The reason, I think, was that Sony saw what Sega did in the Genesis era and took it to the next level. Which was something that, ironically, Sega forgot to do.
It wasn’t just a HW thing.
Sony had a strategy going that neither Sega, nor Nintendo had. And it was what 3rd parties wanted. It was perfect match and a win-win situation for both Sony and 3rd parties.
But the “worst” part was that with the PS1 Sony achieved something even more important: Playstation became synonymous with videogames – just like it happened with Nintendo during the NES.
After that it didn’t matter what Sega, MS and Nintendo did. Winning strategy + brand recognition…
I’m not saying that power or console parity doesn’t matter to business decisions. They do, but they sure do matter less when the market is right there.
Look at GTA. As you say, some things would have to be cut yet the older games made it to iOS. Why not do the same for Wii. They were basically one generation old. The engines were there. Porting it to Wii would have been more than easy. Capcom did it with Resident Evil 4.
Again, the main issue – not the only issue – will always be if there’s a market for 3d parties or not.
Wii U already had it’s future planned out even before it got to the market and even before final specs for PS4 and XB1 were finalized. Remember when PS4 was only going to have 4GB of RAM?
The decisions made to bring or not bring games for Wii U at that time were made purely on market expectations.
There were a ton of PS3/XB360 games that could have easily been ported to Wii U like so many others. And I’m just talking about Wii U’s first year.
Those decisions were made one or two years before Wii U came out and tanked. Of course that after that, the decision was even easier to take.
I agree that content cut out from the Wii U version was important, but I can’t believe that it was a decisive factor.
That alone can’t be the reason why millions opted to buy BO2 on XB360 and PS3 and not on Wii U. And you could also had both AC games, the Batman games and Ghosts to that list.
I see it hurting sales but when you are talking about things like missing DLC, which the majority of people don’t even buy, then that can’t be the biggest reason. It just can’t be.
I get that it might upset and discourage buyers but not like this.
You are right that Nintendo made several mistakes, but at the same time, giving 3rd parties what they wanted would have meant that Wii U would have become another XB or PS clone. They went with the power strategy with the N64 and the GC and they still failed.
They knew that just giving devs what they wanted wouldn’t get them squat.
What failed – again – and even more this time, was their strategy. Because what Nintendo is still lacking to this day is a core focused strategy and what they have since the N64 is a family friendly, Nintendo-core-fan strategy.
Unless they change that first, everything else might get them better results than Wii U but it won’t ever change in a meaningful way.
This is what you forget. Nintendo already a powerful, easy develop consoles with the GC and Wii. Did 3rd parties take the opportunity to really support them? No. To them, GC and Wii weren’t the venue for their games, so they skipped it.
I never said Fusion was for the Nintendo core. I actually support that idea because it can do exactly the opposite!
Sharing OS and API might help bring more games but it won’t replace developing for a single ecosystem. That will always free more staff, more marketing money, increase the potential userbase.
Speaking of which, even if 10M 3DS owners bought Wii U, the remaining user base might have bought games like W101 and B2 if it had appeared on 3DS aswell. Not everyone is going to buy another console for every game they like but can’t play them because they don’t own the other system. And that’s why I say potential users.
By freeing up staff, not only can Nintendo save their biggest franchises from over exposure, they WILL need to make new ones. And this is what I want to see happen!
I want all the Nintendo classics but I also want 3rd party type of games: I want a Gran Turismo/Forza type of game to complement MK; I want a Gears type of game to complement Splatoon; I want an Uncharted/Assassin’s Creed type of game to complement Zelda; I want a Halo/CoD/BF type of game to complement Metroid; a FF type of game to complement Xenoblade.
This is what Fusion will allow: a library filled with the best Nintendo games and other types of games aswell.
I’m not sure that all of these new franchises/games will make it, but Nintendo is doomed if they don’t try something.
Like this, Nintendo can fully support themselves if 3rd parties bail on them again.
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And look, the price didn't change its faith! Neither did it with the GC! Why? Because third party games are more important than its price which = it not being a mass market product
Sony's strategy was to give the third party what they wanted in terms of hardware... Something that Nintendo failed to do and Sega butchered their systems before hand as well as the hardware for the Saturn was bad compared to both the n64 and ps1... It was a 2d based system, which was rushed out with some wonky 3d capabilities and it was very hard to develop for... You should stop trying to state things without doing research yourself... I am not your teacher to the video games industry and why things happened the way they happened... Google is there, do the research yourself... Sega made horrible mistakes that made it difficult to be viable. It had nothing to do with the brand
Porting old GTA to the wii wouldn't have helped because it was already out for older consoles... Where as iOS/Android never had it and on top of that, it gave GTA access to over 1 billion devices... Do you really need me to state the obvious?
That is not how it works... Yes, the hardware itself gets finalized a couple of years before but the thing is that the CPU, GPU and RAM was hugely different. The CPU wasn't even Amd and the developers wanted x86 instead Nintendo gave them PowerPC... And not to mention, Nintendo was going for the gamepad... They could have had it similar to the ps4/x1 if they didn't have the gamepad. Again, if you don't know what you are talking about, don't just say things for the sake of saying it cause it makes your arguements look stupid
How is it not a decisive factor? You have these consoles (ps3/360) with 160 million combined sales + PC that get the games with all the content which = full experience where as you get a "next gen" console without the content which = not the full experience. Cod is an online game and its DLC is very important to its online experience. Majority of the people do by Cod DLC... Thats one of the major components of the game... This was a stupid argument and again, don't state things that you don't know
Why do you make me repeat myself? The n64/GC had cavaits... They failed cause they didn't give the third parties what they wanted... Yes, those systems were the most powerful but they had major issues that prevented them from being a success. Nintendo-core-fan is becoming less and less in terms of userbase and your Fusion concept won't change that because people aren't interested in Nintendo games or Nintendo developed games anymore. Most people are more interested in thid party games which has been proven by generations. Nintendo will succeed if they can do a third party + first party combo by listening to third parties for once
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to hardware or how the industry works. I already explained why it wouldn't work many times and why Nintendo's methods were flawed.
It really doesn't work like that... Don't use your imagination of what potentially could be in order to try and prove ur things. Use facts... Those games don't target the Nintendo fans and they specially don't target the 3ds fans hence why it wouldnt have changed much... I don't know why do you keep on saying the samethings over and over again so I won't really repeat myself. If you really want to make a fool out of yourself by repeating the same things over and over again without any actual evidence or any legit reason as to why those would work outside the same reasons you have already stated which I have gave plenty of reasons why it would fail, then there is no point
You can't have third party games without a hardware thats powerful enough to compliment the ps5/x2 and hardware isn't run by magic and nor does Nintendo or the industry. More Nintendo developed games won't get more people to come to the Nintendo eco system and they will simply just by one platform and not the other and third parties won't see any interest int he console
Nintendo is doomed if they try your ideas cause your arguements are heavily flawed... A idea that works doesn't have this many flaws and what ifs and this and thats... Nintendo will only succeed if they embrace third parties. Not if they do their own thing just with more games
With this, what will end up happening is they will butcher the console market cause the people will simply buy the handheld space and then they will lose a major source of revenue and they will exit the console space entirely and compete with Smartphones which are arguably worse
Here is an idea. If you can't come up with better arguements, then don't reply... Instead of saying the same things over and over again because you have no other arguements, just don't reply at all... Do yourself this favor and avoid further embarrassment becaue you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the hardware or software or how the industry works when it comes to these things. You don't even know the history of video games and how it all played out considering that Saturn arguement you made
The fact that you don't know most of the basics makes your arguements significantly less valid and makes you lose your "credibility" in this site
