Japan's getting a sweet Dreamcast theme menu theme for the 3DS, this completes the themes of the Sega consoles, they're all on 3DS, Saturn's my favorite.

A shame none of these will see life outside of Japan, they're all awesome.

Umm... Yes they did... The n64 sold 30 million compared to 100 million of the ps1 and the GC sold 22 million compared to the 157 million of the ps2... If anything, they definitely cared about third party... In terms of performance, granted it wasn't about who had the best performance but rather it was about what the third party wanted which is the key to all of this. Also, I never said that Nintendo should make the NX more powerful than the ps5/x2 but I have always said that it should come close enough to them in order to make third party happy. The xbox sold a lot less because it was a new system but look at how amazingly the 360 did in the 7th generation with third party support.

And sure, people want that brand... Which Nintendo is no longer that brand nor do they have those kinds of games

Again, never said it should be the most powerful but rather it should come close... If they make it as weak as ur suggesting, most gamers won't even care for it outside of Nintendo fans and Nintendo fans aren't enough at all to make this a relative success

Yes, Nintendo stopped trying to get third party support since Snes and look at where it got them. The wiiU was a failure and the 3ds is going to sell less than half of the DS. And Fusion will be the death of Nintendo if its what you're suggesting cause no one in their right mind would buy both when they can just buy one and have all the games. People would rather just save the money and get a ps5/x2 with the handheld. And they can't develop those types of western games... Even if they have western studios, those guys never developed games like those before... And of those, it will get outclassed in terms of graphics and performance in every single game by a noticable amount and it will just look like another Nintendo system with no third party support which will once again, have bad press up the ass and gamers won't bother with it

And it really does seem like that is what u are trying to suggest. The reality of the sitution is that Nintendo cannot make those kinds of games and even if they could, they don't have the budget for some and not only that, they don't have the branding. Creating a brand from ground up takes a very long time and just because they create a game that is similar does not mean that it will be a success or even close. Without third parties and the console being weaker than the wiiU, gamers will not even touch it because thats how they will percieve it. Cod sells 10 million+ in a yearly basis, GTA V sold 45+ million units and the list goes on. They don't sell those numbers just cause any company can do it, they sell those numbers because only they can do it and certainly a Company with such a family friendly image wont be able to do it because of how cautionate they will be. And even if they made those games, they won't regain anything because it will just be seen as clones rather than the real thing and people would just go for the real thing + the graphics/performance

Both Goldeneye and Perfect Dark are made by Rare which is now owned by MS. And the reality is that those games will only be games please the fans and they won't bring in any new customers because they have been long forgotten in this era. Yes, many forums with threads always state how great those games were but in reality, most people just won't care because games like Cod are now the norm and games like Goldeneye has no value outside of the fans. And yes, Nintendo is creative with games like splatoon but the sad part is that even the fans won't buy that game since it will be lucky to even sell 1 million lifetime so there is no way games like that will even begin to bring in the Cod crowd.

Things can become worse... Much worse... Right now, they have a failed console but they have a chance to undo what mistakes they have made with it. If they continue to do those mistakes, they will not only sell a lot less than the 3ds+wiiU combined which is horrible but they will lose their console market all together. Their new console won't even sell 5 million as soon as the gamers hear that its not even half as weak as the ps4 with zero third party support and it will be plegued with bad press. If they lose the console market, they lose a huge source of revenue and since they are a gaming company, that is really bad. And Nintendo making third-party-like games won't help because the games they will be going up against will not only have significantly better graphics but they will have better marketing, more budget and most important, better brand recognition

At the end of the day. This fusion concept is a horrible idea. It makes it so that there is no reason for most people to buy both platforms and it makes it so that the only people that will be happy with it are Nintendo fans and no one else. Nintendo fans aren't everyone and this is what you gotta understand. People want Cod, GTA, BF, FF and etc, not games that are like it but exactly those games. Heck, Nintendo can't even clone a game like GTA considering GTA's budget is over 300 million... And yes, the console/handheld will cost $200 and it will have more Nintendo games but that will just result in less sales than even this generation because now, people will just buy the handheld which will result in them exiting the console market since the fusion concept will butcher its sales. Having same games on both platforms, even if the games are free on both if u buy for one, will not sell both platforms because most people would rather just save the money and get a ps5/x2 since they will be getting the same experience on both. And since it will not be bringing in any new users that aren't Nintendo fans due to a large lack of third party, it will sell < 60 million combined. (Provided they have games like MH which is kind of lolz cause thats a third party game)

What they need to do is adapt to the market and get third party support by making a console that is close to being as powerful as the ps5/x2. Not more powerful but close to being as powerful and they need to get everything else right that the third party wants. Then you would have Nintendo exclusives + third party support + a cheaper console which = a win without butchering the sales of either systems

All this Nintendo news and half announcements are confusing me, and not only because I (and neither anyone outside of some Nintendo employees) know what they are up to, but because I'm not even sure that what they said during the DeNA collaboration announcement and the reveal of the NX are even connected.

To me it looked like 3 different announcements: 1-Partnership with DeNA to let them use their IPs to make mobile games; 2-Launch of a software platform that will be available for mobile and PC users but also owners of the 3DS and WiiU as well as the NX, although we don't know what this platform is for; and 3-The fact that they are working on a gaming machine to be revealed in 2016 that we ignore if it's a handheld, home or both console that we also ignore when will be launched. Heck, I've seen people saying that the X stands for "future path" so there may not even be a console but just the idea of what Nintendo wants to do with its next consoles.

So, because of all that, I'll try yo stay away from any discussion regarding all this stuff.

Damn, Jizz. That's one of the longest posts I've seen on this site.

I'm impressed.

Are you familiar with the user "Salnax"?

I don't believe I am. 

Loll thanks! This is also the most amount of comments I posted in this thread in a row XP

Salnax? Please, take a look at the real master of the long posts: johnlucas

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=195853

Indeed: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=199919

I thought that they would supervise them like Hyrule Warriors, but not that they would develop them.

Gamers cared more about what games to PS1, N64 and Saturn then they cared if one had cartridges or CDs. Same goes for the following generation.
Speaking of which, Xbox didn't sell badly because it was a new console. PS1 was a new console and it sold 100M units. Xbox sold that low because people just wanted the PS2. It didn't matter to them that Xbox was an equal match in HW - or better, which was the case.
Sony securing a lot of good deals helped a lot too.

You read me wrong. I never wanted or defended that NX should be weaker or that it's ok.
All i said was that it wasn't the main factor for it's success.
It will always help have a strong console, even if for the sake of having 3rd parties onboard. If gamers will care or not remains to be seen. For example, PS4 is more powerful than the XB1 but the difference in sales can't be explained by that reason alone.
This is what i always tried to convey.

When i said Nintendo stopped trying i meant that as they stopped trying to go after the core gamer by providing the games they wanted the most.
N64, more targeted towards the US market, even had a sports line, shooters, racers. But that was it. They saw what kind of titles were selling on PS1, PS2 and Xbox and they did nothing.
I believe that if Nintendo can make a game like Splatoon (a good step in a new direction, but no CoD killer), which is nothing like Nintendo, then other 2nd party studios can try new genres aswell.
Retro did it and they did more than fine with Metroid.

Personally i don't see a good reason why Nintendo (as a whole) can't succeed in developing games like Halo, Uncharted, Destiny, etc.
Other studios tried and succeeded. Why not Nintendo?
One of the advantages of having Fusion is that you lower your risks on games: there's more people to sell them too. You also have more staff available to develop bigger games. Games that Nintendo had to carefully pick and greenlight because of all the risks and bigger budgets.

Speaking of Fusion, there's the risk that, in terms of HW, sales might go down, either for the portable, either for the home console.
But there are ways to stop this from happening: why not bundle the two for 400-450 (cheaper when bundled)? Isn't that great value? Why not offer specific content for people who have both consoles, too?
Having to develop for one single ecosystem is something that Nintendo can easily do. Now imagine that you have a diverse line-up, with at least 10 games per year. That would surely attract gamers because they would have exclusives all year long, every year.
And what about those who would only care for home consoles but now can't find a good reason (not enough exclusive games) to jump on board?
That too, i believe, would stop the declining sales, even if they favour more one of the consoles.

The only real way that Nintendo will get as much support from 3rd parties as Sony and MS is when they are able to create a market for their games.
Nintendo does not make their type of games. That's why games like CoD, AC, Batman sold so little on Wii U. People aren't going to bother buying NX to buy 3rd party games when they already have in their minds Sony and MS' consoles as the best place for 3rd party games and MS and Sony's (same) type of games.
And if they can't sell their games on NX they will stop making games for it.

It's a vicious cycle and it's not a powerful console or a console built around 3rd party desires that is going to change that.
The only thing that will break that cycle is if Nintendo adds their type of games to Nintendo's own type of games in a single console. And there is no way that will ever happen unless they focus on an ecosystem instead of two.
You saw what's happening with the Wii U. How do you think things will be when development times increase again for the next handheld and home console if they have to develop specific games for each. Even in this gen companies are delaying games.
Now add to that the staff Nintendo is devouting to QoL and the staff Nintendo is devouting to mobile games.

If it's becoming harder and harder for Nintendo to have a steady line-up, imagine how things will be next-generation.
Fusion really is their best solution financialy and development wise.