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drkohler said:
Issun said:

Do not forget that GfK covers only 80 % of retailers, so how much is 100 % then? I will tell you, 100 % would be 386,250. Maybe I am wrong,..

No it would not and Yes you are wrong. The reason is very simple and most people here do not seem to grasp how GfK works. GfK tracks 80% of all retailers and fortunately these 80% include _all_ the major retailers in Germany. These major retailers account for roughly 95% of all sales, so therefore there is no need for GfK to go after the remaining 20% retailers ("Joe's computer shop", "Jack's used car and computers"). Like it or not, The numbers on VGC now are much closer to reality than they were before.

 

Exactly, drkohler. If not higher because they *are* major retailers, some selling 10x as many as the mom and pop stores.

The only possible exception would be if a major chain decided not to share its sell thru information with GfK. But that would, of course, affect all 3 console makers, not just one.

And one other thing.

GfK wouldn't report 'here are 80% of the stores and their sales.  I have no clue how much the actual sales are'.  They would report, as mention, 80% of the stores mean X as total sales, or (tho less likely), here are their sales and X is the number we think is the total based on those sales. 

Why is it less likely?  Consider if ioi said, here are the actual sales I had reported to me, and I estimate that X, Y and Z are the total sales for the consoles.  Even more than now, there would be complaints of how from the actual sales, he got the estimates.  He, GfK and others don't need that headache.



Torturing the numbers.  Hear them scream.

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MikeB said:

@ TWRoD

Grow up, we are only trying to make VGchartz more accurate, no need for cheapshot comments. The articles I read so far did not provide 360 LTD related data, just PS3 2007 related LTD data.


 I'd agree with this comment as well.  Or if VGChartz more accurate, their understanding of how it works in getting its estimates, as well as how the paid ones, like GfK work.  

While it can be frustrating that someone might not understand what you mean, TWRoD, it often means you just need to say it in another way, and like MikeB says, leave out the cheapshots.

(Save those for more subjective topics, like which FPS is the best in terms of music.  :)  ) 

 



Torturing the numbers.  Hear them scream.

I create this thread because I saw several credible sites backuping my theory and I wanted the answers. I respect ioi and I appreciate his work, so if he said „GFK figures are, and always have been, for 100% of the market based on a sample of 80% - just like every other tracking service.“ I believe him.

From the random person on the internet (not credible): „GfK covers 80% of the market in Germany, but in contrast to Media Create, Famitsu, NPD etc. the rest of the market isn't extrapolated. So these are the sales for the 80% tracked part of the market and the rest isn't there at all.“

People are confused, that's all, ...also, if someone say something, it's either his/her opinion or the fact, but fact must be based on credible source.



erikers said:
lssun, you don't even understand how they track the numbers and you're making this pointless thread. All you need to know is the numbers are closer now than they were before. Hopefully the other numbers in the different countries are closer so these stupid threads aren't made anymore. It should surprise no one that the ps3 numbers were too high in some of these PAL countries.
You want to explain how they overtracked so much in one small country? 80,000 of 420,000 is quite a big chunk, just how is it possible to make such a large error for a small country?

 



Are you sure that's German? I took 4 years of German and I can't read a word of that! LIES LIES LIES I TELL YOU.

It has been a while though. I even visited Austria and Germany 6 years ago. Best 2 weeks of my entire life.

**this just in**

all sales sites begin posting tracked data without extrapolation.
updated VGChartz numbers: Wii - 1.05M, 360 - 0.84M, ps3 - 0.48M

science still unable to explain how halo 3 sold over 7M units.


I don't know why I found this post so funny... it's just great.