Honest question: u think that 3rd parties would pass up the chance to put their games on the biggest userbase? 

i'm just saying, even though the wii was out selling the ps360, the 360 was still selling relatively well (if  i'm not mistaken), and because of this fact, 3rd party games came to the system. If the Ps4 and Xbone sell as badly as the wii-u has sold, then i think that they would still put their games out on the wii-u, and by putting 'core' titles on the wii-u, the 'hardcore's' will buy the system and the games  

They wont though, they did it last holiday and they sold poorly.

Wii outsold PS360 by double for its early life, third parties wernt interested in anything but the casual stuff.

Fact is though that PS4 and Xbox One won't sell like WiiU, and a year or two in they will get price cuts and will starts elling as they should.

There is no reason PS4 and Xbox One should fail, they're classic gaming systems that target the vast majority of gamers.

LOL I didn't knew that... I guess everything is possible nowadays xD.

fair point, but i think 3rd party game sales could be different if if the ps4, xbone  don't sell well, which i think they absolutly will sell well.

The thing about 3rd party games on the wii-u, is that, while the userbase isn't really geared towars 'harcore' gamers, Nintendo and the publishers could change the perception through advertisements of the games for example: The wii was marketed as "party/family/casual console", and as a result casuals bought the system. I think ads such as the ps3 advertisments with gta would go along way with changing the perception of the console, and bring more 'harcore' gamers to the console

The industry will come up with other excuses.

Because the industry is stupid.  Why? Because the industry is making games for Xbone and PS4 that currently have 0 install base compared to what? 4 million on WiiU. 0 is obviously more than 4 million!


Let me give you another exanple:
 ZombiU sold 530k? And was not even close in making Ubisoft a profit? ohkaaay?  So this means it didn't break even.  

But Watch Dogs is expected to sell 6.2 million copies (noone expects their game to just break even otherwhise they would not make games. So 6.2m automatically means break even and generate alot of profit)

Now keep in mind that WiiU had 0 install base at launch (when ZombiU came out and yet 530k is not even close.. So they at least expected 1 million I guess?)

Can you follow me? Great.


Now compare 1 million ZombIU's (a game that looks meh and has mediocre/low production value) to the 6.2m Watch Dogs is supposed to sell. A game which looks awesome (high production value). 

So how exactly is selling 530k on a NOW 4 million install base (without ads/commercials etc)  NOT EVEN CLOSE or FAIL???

In the unlikely event of PS4 and X1 having the same slow start as WiiU then having 530k on both systems would end up at 1.06m sales.  And Ubisoft is also bringing this game to a install base of 155m+  PS360's. Also to PC and roughly 4m WiiUs (thats a 4m bigger WiiU userbase then ZombiU had!).

So lets do some math.
Expected sales are 6.2m - 1.06m(PS4X1) = 5.14m

Conclusion
Ubisoft expects a game with high production value (that needs more money to break even and turn a profit than ZombiU) to ONLY sell 5.14m on roughly 160m PS360U's + PC  and yet they want a (mediocre production value) ZombiU to sell more than 1m on a single console with 0 userbase at launch? 

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFL?



The industry is stupid and should collapse already.    I am not saying that devs are stupid its more publishers and those greedy bastards we know as shareholders.  They have NO IDEA whats going on yet they dictate what should be done.  Even if devs have great innovative ideas they will certainly interfere and say something like "ME NEEDZ MORE MONEEZ!!  Do the same shit you did last year just minor changes understood! I cant risk losing a single (not at all) earned cent of mine!!!"

ZombieU didn't sell anywhere close to 530k, FYI.

Well that was a nice explanation JazzB1987 But a crash could be a bit heavy. I love gaming but what would happen if it collapsed? where would we go next?

Well Vg Chartz numbers say that the game did 530k...

Well VGC says a lot of things, remember they're estimates.

Anfebious said: Well that was a nice explanation JazzB1987 But a crash could be a bit heavy. I love gaming but what would happen if it collapsed? where would we go next?

Thanks :)

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Same thing that happened in the 80s.  The smart, innovative, risk taking people survive and the lazy greedy idiots DIE.  Best thing that can happen.  Wont affect indies at all.