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ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
i am on the fence about beyond, cause i thought the demo was rough in gameplay and the balance need some fine tuning. i think the game should be delayed a few months to iron out the rough edges and release it early next year, either way i might pick it up, when it hits the $20 or so price.


Where can I play the demo?  I tried looking on that abomination of a store PSN but couldn't find it.



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for me it depends on the type of game that i'm interested in... some i'll just go and buy without giving much attention to the reviews and some i'll be hesitant and i'll be holding back until i see how the reviews pan out.

Beyond: Two Souls is a game that i already pre ordered the special edition for since june from AmazonUK which tells you that i have much confidence in the game since i played Heavy Rain and loved it very much and is one of my top 5 best games i've ever played tbh.



I'm very much on the fence about Beyond. I'm hopeful it's a great game, but David Cage's vision for the future of video games really troubles me. Video games are video games, and movies are movies, and never the twain shall meet.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
I'm very much on the fence about Beyond. I'm hopeful it's a great game, but David Cage's vision for the future of video games really troubles me. Video games are video games, and movies are movies, and never the twain shall meet.


true, he is an idiot for trying something new and trying to make some video games different from others. 



bananaking21 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I'm very much on the fence about Beyond. I'm hopeful it's a great game, but David Cage's vision for the future of video games really troubles me. Video games are video games, and movies are movies, and never the twain shall meet.


true, he is an idiot for trying something new and trying to make some video games different from others. 

I don't see why you feel the need to respond in such a sarcastic way. I explained my feelings in an honest and straightforward way; why can't you?

Anyway, there's a big difference between making video games of different genres and styles, and blurring the line between game and movie. The latter is a big problem for me, because they are such different media. 

Let me be clear: there's nothing wrong with interactive storytelling. Games like KOTOR and Mass Effect use it to great effect. I'm just very worried about Mr. Cage's insistence on "emotion" and "meaning" in video games, and his weird fascination with fusing the works of cinema's masters -- Kubrick, Welles, Coppola -- with his games. 



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CGI-Quality said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I'm very much on the fence about Beyond. I'm hopeful it's a great game, but David Cage's vision for the future of video games really troubles me. Video games are video games, and movies are movies, and never the twain shall meet.

He's not saying everyone should follow his lead (not sure why this continues to be said), all he wants is a place in the industry. Besides, what isn't a "game" to you isn't reflected in absolute. 

To be fair, I never stated, or even implied, that David Cage is a proselytizer. All I said is that his vision is troubling to me. 

I just don't agree with his philosophy, i.e., "getting the player emotionally involved is the holy grail of all game creators." It's misguided, as is his reliance on the methods and tropes of cinema. Video games and movies, despite their ever-growing superficial similarities, are worlds apart in terms of storytelling and interactivity. They just cannot work together. 

Your last point is a truism. Of course the millions of video game fans out there have different interpretations of what a game is, and can be. All I can do is articulate my own.



CGI-Quality said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

To be fair, I never stated, or even implied, that David Cage is a proselytizer. All I said is that his vision is troubling to me. 

I just don't agree with his philosophy, i.e., "getting the player emotionally involved is the holy grail of all game creators." It's misguided, as is his reliance on the methods and tropes of cinema. Video games and movies, despite their ever-growing superficial similarities, are worlds apart in terms of storytelling and interactivity. They just cannot work together. 

Your last point is a truism. Of course the millions of video game fans out there have different interpretations of what a game is, and can be. All I can do is articulate my own.

His vision can only be troubling to you if A. You don't agree and B. It will become a widespread thing. Since only A applies, I said nothing wrong. However, whteher you meant it or not, your implication is there when you say "his vision of the future", because that's implying "in absolute", which isn't the case at all.

As for games not working together with movies, there are games and then there are movies. Just because we have games that are similar in nature (which has already proven to work), doesn't take away that they are still games, which take button prompts and learning curves to maneuver (something a movie won't ever share). Now me, personally, I see nothing wrong with an addition to the market like David Cage, but like all games, his are easily avoivdable. Simple enough - if you don't like his vision, don't support him and/or buy his products.

Now you're the one speaking in absolutes. 

Like it or not, I can be troubled by just about anything I want, your criteria notwithstanding. Again, there was no implication of anything beyond what I literally said: that I was bothered by his vision of video games. There's no secret message buried there. His vision for games is far different from my own. That's it.

As for your second paragraph, yes, movies and some games are similar in that they share a cinematic presentation and follow similar narrative logic, but they are so dissimilar in terms of storytelling and interactivity that the comparison becomes pointless. A game has more than one storyteller and is subject to change. A movie has a single storyteller and cannot be changed. Watch The Graduate 1,000 times and it will always end the same way; play Final Fantasy VII 1,000 times and you can experience it 1,000 different ways.

I just think Cage is barking up the wrong tree. Developers should be looking at new ways to PLAY games, not new ways to extract "meaning" from them.



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CGI-Quality said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
CGI-Quality said:

His vision can only be troubling to you if A. You don't agree and B. It will become a widespread thing. Since only A applies, I said nothing wrong. However, whteher you meant it or not, your implication is there when you say "his vision of the future", because that's implying "in absolute", which isn't the case at all.

As for games not working together with movies, there are games and then there are movies. Just because we have games that are similar in nature (which has already proven to work), doesn't take away that they are still games, which take button prompts and learning curves to maneuver (something a movie won't ever share). Now me, personally, I see nothing wrong with an addition to the market like David Cage, but like all games, his are easily avoivdable. Simple enough - if you don't like his vision, don't support him and/or buy his products.

Now you're the one speaking in absolutes. 

Like it or not, I can be troubled by just about anything I want, your criteria notwithstanding. Again, there was no implication of anything beyond what I literally said: that I was bothered by his vision of video games. There's no secret message buried there. His vision for games is far different from my own. That's it.

As for your second paragraph, yes, movies and some games are similar in that they share a cinematic presentation and follow similar narrative logic, but they are so dissimilar in terms of storytelling and interactivity that the comparison becomes pointless. A game has more than one storyteller and is subject to change. A movie has a single storyteller and cannot be changed. Watch The Graduate 1,000 times and it will always end the same way; play Final Fantasy VII 1,000 times and you can experience it 1,000 different ways.

I just think Cage is barking up the wrong tree. Developers should be looking at new ways to PLAY games, not new ways to extract "meaning" from them.

The only absolute I gave was a simple: "avoid what you don't like". No hidden message, no coded language. If you think he is barking up the wrong tree, that is you. I don't care what you prefer and don't prefer, I just don't agree and offered a contrasting opinion. Take it or lerave it, makes no difference, but I can tell you this - your opinion won't stop the games from coming, and that matters most.

This is a video game forum, is it not? We're here to discuss what we like, what we don't like, what we're excited for, etc. If my opinion on a matter won't "stop the games from coming" should I just keep it to myself? Should everyone? There would be a lot of empty forum posts on this site if that's the case.



CGI-Quality said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
CGI-Quality said:

The only absolute I gave was a simple: "avoid what you don't like". No hidden message, no coded language. If you think he is barking up the wrong tree, that is you. I don't care what you prefer and don't prefer, I just don't agree and offered a contrasting opinion. Take it or lerave it, makes no difference, but I can tell you this - your opinion won't stop the games from coming, and that matters most.

This is a video game forum, is it not? We're here to discuss what we like, what we don't like, what we're excited for, etc. If my opinion on a matter won't "stop the games from coming" should I just keep it to myself? Should everyone? There would be a lot of empty forum posts on this site if that's the case.

You're entitled to your opinion and can post it where you like (and never once did I say otherwise), just don't expect people to stay silent on your view when your complaints have simple remedies.

On the contrary, I'm eager to hear opposing viewpoints. What I've heard from you mostly, though, is that my opinion is immaterial and that it will effect zero change in the industry. I'd like to hear from you why you think I'm wrong about Cage's vision. I don't really want to hear that my posts on VGChartz.com won't stop production on Beyond. Because I know that.