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Frequency said:

Sure, that's very commendable of you, except we are in the Microsoft discussion section commenting on a topic which specifically specifies the Xbox one in relation to games, so your generalization of comment referring to games on all systems requires context to be accurate, something you neglected to provide in your initial post.

So don't mount that tall horse of yours when people quite rightly react to your post when the lack of context is the reason for it. 

We being in the MS section matters how exactly? I am discussing Microsoft. And Sony, and Nintendo. And everyone else. Also, had you read the entire thread, I'd clearly already said I wasn't talking about Xbone games being the best, but the general idea that gamers should care the games, not the insides of the console. It would have rendered your reply irrelevant. Just a little forum browsing tip for you, hope it helps.



Well, hopefully this means they will finally end the futile specs war that they had been trying to spin their way the past few weeks. I hope that goes for their fans, too.  Now, it's time to focus on the games, not some bogus secret sauce.

Personally, I think they have an equal footing as far as launch games go, maybe one with a slight depending on your personal preferences. We'll have to see how the support goes for next year, though.



J_Allard said:
Frequency said:

Sure, that's very commendable of you, except we are in the Microsoft discussion section commenting on a topic which specifically specifies the Xbox one in relation to games, so your generalization of comment referring to games on all systems requires context to be accurate, something you neglected to provide in your initial post.

So don't mount that tall horse of yours when people quite rightly react to your post when the lack of context is the reason for it. 

We being in the MS section matters how exactly? I am discussing Microsoft. And Sony, and Nintendo. And everyone else. Also, had you read the entire thread, I'd clearly already said I wasn't talking about Xbone games being the best, but the general idea that gamers should care the games, not the insides of the console. It would have rendered your reply irrelevant. Just a little forum browsing tip for you, hope it helps.

Individual posts still require their own frame of context, just a little logic tip for you, hope it helps.



Frequency said:

Individual posts still require their own frame of context, just a little logic tip for you, hope it helps.

If I were speaking to the Xbone itself and it's games specifically, I'd have mentioned them. Don't know how much simpler I can make it :)



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Legend11 said:

A lot of people seem to forget that the 360 is a year older than PS3 and for 2012 (the equivalent of 2013 for PS3) Microsoft published the following for 360:

3 Point Contest
Alan Wake's American Nightmare
Bloodforge
Dance Central 3
Darts Vs Zombies
Deadlight
Diabolical Pitch
Dragon's Lair
Dungeon Fighter Live
Dust: An Elysian Tail
Fable Heroes
Fable: The Journey
Fez
Field Goal Contest
Fire Pro Wrestling
Forza Horizon
Halo 4
Happy Action Theater
Happy Wars
Haunt
Homerun Stars
Intel Discovered
Joe Danger: The Movie
Joy Ride Turbo
Kinect Nat Geo TV
Kinect Party
Kinect Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure
Kinect Sesame Street TV
Kinect Sports: Ultimate Collection
Kinect Star Wars
Mark of the Ninja
Minecraft
Nike+ Kinect Training
Prize Driver
Reaction Rally
Red Bull Crashed Ice
Sine Mora
Ski Race
South Park: Tenorman's Revenge
Spelunky
The Splatters
Trials Evolution
Wreckateer

That's a decent lineup for a system of that age (2 of those games look like they'll end up with sales of between 8-11 million).

Then there's the fact that Microsoft has been opening up more game studios in the last couple of years and are putting even more money into Xbox One game development than they did with 360.

PS3 in 2013 already have more games than that... and I think 2014 they will release more games than that list too .

And there are big AAA names too.



ethomaz said:

Legend11 said:

A lot of people seem to forget that the 360 is a year older than PS3 and for 2012 (the equivalent of 2013 for PS3) Microsoft published the following for 360:

3 Point Contest
Alan Wake's American Nightmare
Bloodforge
Dance Central 3
Darts Vs Zombies
Deadlight
Diabolical Pitch
Dragon's Lair
Dungeon Fighter Live
Dust: An Elysian Tail
Fable Heroes
Fable: The Journey
Fez
Field Goal Contest
Fire Pro Wrestling
Forza Horizon
Halo 4
Happy Action Theater
Happy Wars
Haunt
Homerun Stars
Intel Discovered
Joe Danger: The Movie
Joy Ride Turbo
Kinect Nat Geo TV
Kinect Party
Kinect Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure
Kinect Sesame Street TV
Kinect Sports: Ultimate Collection
Kinect Star Wars
Mark of the Ninja
Minecraft
Nike+ Kinect Training
Prize Driver
Reaction Rally
Red Bull Crashed Ice
Sine Mora
Ski Race
South Park: Tenorman's Revenge
Spelunky
The Splatters
Trials Evolution
Wreckateer

That's a decent lineup for a system of that age (2 of those games look like they'll end up with sales of between 8-11 million).

Then there's the fact that Microsoft has been opening up more game studios in the last couple of years and are putting even more money into Xbox One game development than they did with 360.

PS3 in 2013 already have more games than that... and I think 2014 they will release more games than that list too .

And there are big AAA names too.

Really?

Last of Us
God of War
MLB
Dust 514
Puppeteer

Is all I can think of that has been developed or published by Sony for PS3 this year. Not saying you are wrong, but where are all of these games?



Frequency said:
J_Allard said:
Frequency said:
J_Allard said:
I don't think any real gamer would disagree with that.

Anyone who plays games is a gamer, and plenty of them disagree, "real gamer" is a throwaway term that is mostly used to belittle or segregate certain players and classify them or their games as being lesser.

So you are essentially implying that everyone that doesn't bow down to the *opinion* of the Xbox one having the best games, irrespective of an individuals preference, is in some way lesser, which is just stupid.

Of course, I don't expect you to agree, because your preference is well documented on these forums already, so all I'll say is "stay classy" and roll my eyes.

Like the other guy in the thread who is too quick to read and get emotional, you seem to be confused. Please point out where I said a single word about MS or Xbox One? What I said applies to all gamers and all consoles and all games. I am agreeing with the premise of the title of the thread, nothing more. If I wanted to be specific about the Xbone and it's games, I would have been.

Sure, that's very commendable of you, except we are in the Microsoft discussion section commenting on a topic which specifically specifies the Xbox one in relation to games, so your generalization of comment referring to games on all systems requires context to be accurate, something you neglected to provide in your initial post.

So don't mount that tall horse of yours when people quite rightly react to your post when the lack of context is the reason for it. 

Reading the title and reading j allards initial response I dont really see why you guys are snapping at him.  It seems pretty obvious to me that his response is directly pointed at the title of the thread, which is it is about games, not gigaflops.  

Now, obviously j allard is an ms fan, he has a record for that.  But seriously guys, its like your first response is to look for somekind of hidden context or bias in his statement.  Instead of him having to give specific context to every little statement, perhaps you should give him the benfit of the doubt.  



J_Allard said:
ethomaz said:

Legend11 said:

A lot of people seem to forget that the 360 is a year older than PS3 and for 2012 (the equivalent of 2013 for PS3) Microsoft published the following for 360:

3 Point Contest
Alan Wake's American Nightmare
Bloodforge
Dance Central 3
Darts Vs Zombies
Deadlight
Diabolical Pitch
Dragon's Lair
Dungeon Fighter Live
Dust: An Elysian Tail
Fable Heroes
Fable: The Journey
Fez
Field Goal Contest
Fire Pro Wrestling
Forza Horizon
Halo 4
Happy Action Theater
Happy Wars
Haunt
Homerun Stars
Intel Discovered
Joe Danger: The Movie
Joy Ride Turbo
Kinect Nat Geo TV
Kinect Party
Kinect Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure
Kinect Sesame Street TV
Kinect Sports: Ultimate Collection
Kinect Star Wars
Mark of the Ninja
Minecraft
Nike+ Kinect Training
Prize Driver
Reaction Rally
Red Bull Crashed Ice
Sine Mora
Ski Race
South Park: Tenorman's Revenge
Spelunky
The Splatters
Trials Evolution
Wreckateer

That's a decent lineup for a system of that age (2 of those games look like they'll end up with sales of between 8-11 million).

Then there's the fact that Microsoft has been opening up more game studios in the last couple of years and are putting even more money into Xbox One game development than they did with 360.

PS3 in 2013 already have more games than that... and I think 2014 they will release more games than that list too .

And there are big AAA names too.

Really?

Last of Us
God of War
MLB
Dust 514
Puppeteer

Is all I can think of that has been developed or published by Sony for PS3 this year. Not saying you are wrong, but where are all of these games?


Most probably he isn't segregating the release of a game to limits of publisher or developed by.

If you narrow the criteria enough for anything you can make it better than something else, but as you state its about the games, so who it was published or developed by shouldn't matter when comparing lists of released games.

 

That said how Rain has been missed from the topic is incredible, its one of the best games released this year in my opinion.



Frequency said:


Most probably he isn't segregating the release of a game to limits of publisher or developed by.

If you narrow the criteria enough for anything you can make it better than something else, but as you state its about the games, so who it was published or developed by shouldn't matter when comparing lists of released games.

 

That said how Rain has been missed from the topic is incredible, its one of the best games released this year in my opinion.


Well it's not really about narrowing criteria, they are discussing how much support either company gives their respective consoles. So whether they developed or published it is pretty important. Ni no Kuni released on PS3 this year, but as Sony neither developed nor published it, does that game show Sony supports their console? Not really. Or Dark on 360. MS had nothing to do with that. The list of 360 games he quoted were all published or developed by MS. As I said I was not claiming he was wrong, as a PS3 owner who plays a lot of PS3 games I am just genuinely wondering where all these games are he's talking about. But you're surely right, he is just counting releases Sony had nothing to do with.