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Forums - General - Xbox One Stage Show called transgender journalist "it"(Hired comedian, Not a MS employee)

I searched best i could but didnt see anything yet,  Lock if old/duplicate.  I put this in general discussion because i dont want this to become an Anti-MS and xbox thread, but actaully discuss the topic which could be very important to some people.

http://www.purexbox.com/news/2013/09/exclusive_xbox_one_stage_show_twitter_storm_kicks_off

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=687829

Seems like this is developing at the moment, but a transgender journalist, Laura Dale, appears to have been humiliated on stage at Eurogamer Expo during a Microsoft stage event. According to her Twitter, this happened:

https://twitter.com/laurakbuzz

"Most embarrassing moment of Eurogamer. Pulled up on stage for XB1 thing and called male twice and "it" twice.
"I was "he", "it". "Thing" and "this one". I was on stage and they still insist "we need a woman on stage, any women here"
"Hope someone from Microsoft sees this. Your presenter made completely dehumanised me in front of an audience. Ruined my Eurogamer"
"Staff on the stage refuse to provide a full name."

She then goes on to say that she believes the presenter's name is Fraser Millward, who describes himself as a "character comedian", and that "People at the stage appologise (sic) that I was upset by his comments, refused to bring him out for me to talk to", and "Refused to appologise (sic) for his actual actions".

Microsoft response:

Ricky Mensah, Event Manager for Microsoft, apologised for any offence caused by the stage show, before introducing us to the show presenter, Fraser Millward. In a short discussion with Mr. Millward, we showed him the accusatory tweets and asked for his response to the whole situation.
Mr. Millward stated that he agreed that he referred to Miss Dale as "this person" as with all the furore of dealing with 350 or so baying fans and trying to run a stage show, he didn't instantly recognise her gender. He states that "I should have said 'this person' and then gone on to the next person and also referred to them as 'this person' so as not to cause offence, but I was thinking on my feet. I wouldn't do the same thing again."
In direct response to the following tweet, though, Mr. Millward was a little more defensive in his comments.

"Staff apologised to her, but every single part of the first sentence of that tweet is made up. We called for more women so as to balance things up as there were mostly male gamers on stage, yes. There are ways of complaining in a mature way, but this is inflammatory and slanderous. 350 witnesses saw that this did not happen and that I didn't say those things. I would like to speak to her face to face to sort this out, but she's taken to Twitter and now I'm getting hundreds of tweets per minute." We asked what could have sparked these claims if this indeed did not happen, Mr. Millward said that "I referred to her as 'this person', at which point some of the crowd laughed. I should have diffused that situation, but I think that is what's caused this to happen. I did not refer to the woman as 'thing' or 'it' at any point."

Miss Dale claims that Microsoft's security staff prevented her from speaking to Mr. Millward, which Mr. Millward claims he was not aware of.



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Sounds suspicious to me. I would wait for other guests to come forward about it atm but I don't see someone being that openly rude and nothing being said by the crowd or anyone else about it.



I'm not sure what can be discussed. They have conflicting stories and we have no way of knowing who is telling the truth.



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Looks like another PR problem...



Looking at her picture on twitter, I would be hard pressed to figure out her gender upon a glance. Could be someone who identifies herself as a female, could be someone who is a male crossdresser (not quite the same thing) and so on.

Clearly though, she is not a biological female, and a lot of people don't have experience dealing with that. I wasn't there and don't know what happened, but if I was to take a guess, the host probably just didn't know how to handle the situation and made a poor choice of words.

If you're a transgender person, that's good for you, but you have to understand that it's something unusual to a lot of people. You shouldn't tolerate disrespect, but you have to be understanding of people who are unprepared and act in a well intentioned manner that makes you feel uncomfortable. Just my two cents.



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It's sad how this site has deteriorated. It seems that it has become a mirror site for NeoGAF with the stories started over there popping up here pretty quickly especially if it is anti-MS.



pfff none issue really, can't blame Microsoft for the fail jokes of one of their presenter



obviously we still need to wait for more facts. if 350people did see it im sure we will get more information. I was just wondering peoples thoughts on how offensive it is to say it in jest, and how offensive to say in ignorance. I have a very edgy sense of humor so i'm the type that would still laugh even though i know its offensive to some(and im sure some other gamers are the same way). I usually dont have a good idea on how bad this stuff really is to say so i was curious on others thoughts. I dont want this to becomean anti-MS thread. If sony said it i would have still made the thread.



I am Torgo, I take care of the place while the master is away.

"Hes the clown that makes the dark side fun.. Torgo!"

Ha.. i won my bet, but i wasnt around to gloat because im on a better forum!  See ya guys on Viz

Hopefully there is no knee jerk reaction done in either direction until the story is clear.



DD_Bwest said:

obviously we still need to wait for more facts. if 350people did see it im sure we will get more information. I was just wondering peoples thoughts on how offensive it is to say it in jest, and how offensive to say in ignorance. I have a very edgy sense of humor so i'm the type that would still laugh even though i know its offensive to some(and im sure some other gamers are the same way). I usually dont have a good idea on how bad this stuff really is to say so i was curious on others thoughts. I dont want this to becomean anti-MS thread. If sony said it i would have still made the thread.


If he was deliberately ridiculing her then that is pretty offensive. If he just called her "this person" because he couldn't identify her gender then there isn't anything wrong with that.



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