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Shinobi-san said:
Wow. If AMD brings Titan level power to the $500 range...then that's just amazing.

Imagine what we will be getting in the mid-high range....

Anyone else disappointed that consoles have decided to settle on around the ~2tflp performance range? That's already quite far behind top of the range GPU's...imagine the gap in 2 years.

There's gonna be a lot of wasted power in some PC's...

I'm hoping we will see the days where it becomes commercially viable to build games specifically for high end PC's. Either that or consoles iterate faster through gens!

Well, if you remember my posts of the spec announcements earlier this year, I think I wasn't very good at hiding my dissapointment right off the bat lol. I'm over it though, I'm primarily PC anyways.



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dahuman said:
Shinobi-san said:
Wow. If AMD brings Titan level power to the $500 range...then that's just amazing.

Imagine what we will be getting in the mid-high range....

Anyone else disappointed that consoles have decided to settle on around the ~2tflp performance range? That's already quite far behind top of the range GPU's...imagine the gap in 2 years.

There's gonna be a lot of wasted power in some PC's...

I'm hoping we will see the days where it becomes commercially viable to build games specifically for high end PC's. Either that or consoles iterate faster through gens!



Well, if you remember my posts of the spec announcements earlier this year, I think I wasn't very good at hiding my dissapointment right off the bat lol. I'm over it though, I'm primarily PC anyways.

I honestly thought we'd be seeing next gen gpu's in the consoles, something like a 8870 or 9870?

Feels like the consoles are 1-2tflps of power short imo. And then to add to that they are almost fully reliant on the GPU for performance.

 



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Woot... I can't wait for this video card!!

I am tired of Nvidia's greed this year... Seriously...
A 770 which is basically the same performance as a 680 costs the same as a 680 but a 780 costs nearly $200 more...

Usually the way it works is the next gen video cards is suppose to replace the current gen with better performance but at the similar price range such as a 780 should cost the same as a 680 since when the 680 came out, it costed as much as a 580 but instead, nvidia decided to go super greedy...



I mean... just look at the difference between a 770 vs 680 and then 680 vs 580... Ridicules greed right there...



                  

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Shinobi-san said:
dahuman said:
Shinobi-san said:
Wow. If AMD brings Titan level power to the $500 range...then that's just amazing.

Imagine what we will be getting in the mid-high range....

Anyone else disappointed that consoles have decided to settle on around the ~2tflp performance range? That's already quite far behind top of the range GPU's...imagine the gap in 2 years.

There's gonna be a lot of wasted power in some PC's...

I'm hoping we will see the days where it becomes commercially viable to build games specifically for high end PC's. Either that or consoles iterate faster through gens!



Well, if you remember my posts of the spec announcements earlier this year, I think I wasn't very good at hiding my dissapointment right off the bat lol. I'm over it though, I'm primarily PC anyways.

I honestly thought we'd be seeing next gen gpu's in the consoles, something like a 8870 or 9870?

Feels like the consoles are 1-2tflps of power short imo. And then to add to that they are almost fully reliant on the GPU 

If you take into account all the process node shrinks and how prone to error the silicon is when attempting photolithography I'd be willing to bet the fastest GPU achieveable isn't going to be more powerful than the PS4 by a factor of 8.

Edit: To reach the smallest process node your going to have to wait 10 years.



fatslob-:O said:

If you take into account all the process node shrinks and how prone to error the silicon is when attempting photolithography I'd be willing to bet the fastest GPU achieveable isn't going to be more powerful than the PS4 by a factor of 8.

Edit: To reach the smallest process nod your going to have to wait 10 years.

Do not underestimate the capabilities of AMD and Nvidia to release increasingly bigger cards in order to keep fooling clueless enthusiasts they are seeing real, Moore law-like progress as far as shrinking and efficiency goes. I mean, remember that once upon a time this is what we called high-end... nowadays it wouldn't pass as the integrated video card of a low end laptop:



 

 

 

 

 

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haxxiy said:
fatslob-:O said:

If you take into account all the process node shrinks and how prone to error the silicon is when attempting photolithography I'd be willing to bet the fastest GPU achieveable isn't going to be more powerful than the PS4 by a factor of 8.

Edit: To reach the smallest process nod your going to have to wait 10 years.

Do not underestimate the capabilities of AMD and Nvidia to release increasingly bigger cards in order to keep fooling clueless enthusiasts they are seeing real, Moore law-like progress as far as shrinking and efficiency goes. I mean, remember that once upon a time this is what we called high-end... nowadays it wouldn't pass as the integrated video card of a low end laptop:

Do note that the smaller the process node the more likely the bigger dies are prone to error's. So I wish the manufacture's good luck for being able to get any decent yield beyond a 370mm^2 at a process node of 5nm.

Edit: BTW the TITAN has some disabled units due to how prone that thing is to error's.



512-bit? Sweet jebus...........
Though I have to say, I'm not surprised and it would explain a lot about the new consoles (especially the PS4's absurd memory throughput) and if they have been working with MC and Sony, then they will have learnt a lot on how to customise their gear - one being that they would need gpu's to be able to access the vast system memory rather than having it's own independent memory.

 

 

fatslob-:O said:
haxxiy said:
fatslob-:O said:

If you take into account all the process node shrinks and how prone to error the silicon is when attempting photolithography I'd be willing to bet the fastest GPU achieveable isn't going to be more powerful than the PS4 by a factor of 8.

Edit: To reach the smallest process nod your going to have to wait 10 years.

Do not underestimate the capabilities of AMD and Nvidia to release increasingly bigger cards in order to keep fooling clueless enthusiasts they are seeing real, Moore law-like progress as far as shrinking and efficiency goes. I mean, remember that once upon a time this is what we called high-end... nowadays it wouldn't pass as the integrated video card of a low end laptop:

Do note that the smaller the process node the more likely the bigger dies are prone to error's. So I wish the manufacture's good luck for being able to get any decent yield beyond a 370mm^2 at a process node of 5nm.

Edit: BTW the TITAN has some disabled units due to how prone that thing is to error's.


They are good upto 2026 iirc, as in they know the techniques to mass produce the dies at an affordable price, however beyond that, they are stuffed - everyone at Silicon Valley has come to that agreement. The good news is that they had a breakthrough with graphene and there is enough money to go into that. However, when graphene dies come in, Moores law will go tohell as graphene can clock well over 400GHz, and that is not also taking into account that less logic gates are used to perform logic functions (due to the gates being hybrid gates).



Aparently the site has now leaked benchies

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TheJimbo1234 said:

512-bit? Sweet jebus...........
Though I have to say, I'm not surprised and it would explain a lot about the new consoles (especially the PS4's absurd memory throughput) and if they have been working with MC and Sony, then they will have learnt a lot on how to customise their gear - one being that they would need gpu's to be able to access the vast system memory rather than having it's own independent memory.


It wouldn't mark the first time AMD has had a 512bit memory bus, they had one on the Radeon 2900XT.
Problem with that approach is, it requires a very complex memory controller and lots of layers on the PCB for traces, so it makes the cards more costly to make.

We needed GDDR6, last year. - Running 7680x1440 is stupidly demanding on memory amount and bandwidth.



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I'm sorry but I have to ask this (Not flaiming at all):

How can anyone justify getting the Titan/780 when it was clearly just Nvidia price gouging that would be back-slapped by the HD 9970 for FARRRRRRR less money in a couple months?



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Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

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3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

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