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Will you be buying one, or do you even care?

Hell yeah! 34 8.85%
 
Mabye 32 8.33%
 
Want to see some legit news first 75 19.53%
 
No 44 11.46%
 
Don't even care 72 18.75%
 
PS4 all the way! 92 23.96%
 
XB1 all the way! 15 3.91%
 
PC all the way! 18 4.69%
 
Total:382
fatslob-:O on 21 September 2013
dahuman said:
Woohoo another off topic thread! Anyways, PS4 and X1 wouldn't be hard to outpower lol.... In a year you can easily get hardware much more powerful at the same price and if SteamBox is Linux based then efficiency will be good as well.

Maybe not in a year but maybe 2 or so for the same price.



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PigPen on 21 September 2013

 

fatslob-:O said:
PigPen said:
Scoobes said:
PigPen said:
fatslob-:O said:

Except none of you guys here know about emulation. The WII U's cpu is almost exactly the same as the WII's but only this time it has 3 cores instead of one and a bumped up clock while featuring a slightly more modern istruction set architecture. As for its GPU it has an insanely low bandwidth while also coming from the old crappy VLIW5 architecure. The only issue I see here is the EDRAM.

As for the PS4 and xbone I don't think any PC's could hope to emulate either of them let alone PS4 because DDR3 has a low bandwidth. Even though xbone features DDR3 it has a bigger bus width giving it the ability to have more bandwidth than what PC's feature everyday on DDR3.  

So when all is said and done the WII U is by far the easiest to emulate disregarding the lack of documentation ofcourse.


Wii U has a Multi-Core (3) CPU.   Sports a High Definition GPU, not a VLIW5 architecure.  I wouldn't begin to ask what that is you made up.  It does sport lots of EDRAM in a customize chip.  Capital was used for R&D to make the Wii U a specially designed console.  Developers will to have to use the Wii U hardware a special type of way to make games.  The Wii U console punches above it's weight.  

Valve Steambox could very well outpower the PS4.  The thought that some other hardware can be the powerhouse other then the PS4 got your panties in a bunch. And you know nothing about emulation, I can tell.

VLIW5 is AMDs older GPU architecture which, based on some pictures of the WiiU insides is likely what the GPU in WiiU is based on. The "High Definition GPU" is marketing talk as most mobile phone chips sport "High Definition GPUs". 

He's probably right about the emulation. The CPUs in all three next gen consoles are all fairly weak and relatively easy to emulate in raw power terms. The core architecture is supposedly the same for WiiU (from Wii) so even with its multi-core nature, it'd be relatively simple to do. The GPUs and emulating the specific drivers for each console's GPU is more problematic. As he said, bandwidth would also be an issue and generally, the hardware you're running an emulator on needs to be significantly more powerful compared to the device you're emulating. Therefore, WiiU as the weakest of the 3 would be the easiest to emulate.

I don't think anyone would bother though.

You are very wrong indeed.  The "Wii U" has a Power Base Multi - Core CPU. The GPU is in fact a GPGPU, and it's the first time ever used in a console.  While not new to PC's, it's not old how you trying to make it seem.  You talk like you really know what you're talking about.

No the cpu is just an ibm broadway processor with 3 cores and a higher clock, it's almost exactly the same as the Wii processor but with 3 cores at a higher clock. LOL GPGPU existed since the DX 10 era. Just because it's the first in gpgpu doesn't mean that it's any good in fact that's why I said VLIW was weak and that was because of its compute performance oh and BTW PS4 and xbone will blow it out of the water.


The whole emulation thing about the Wii U, I know you don't know what you're talking about.  The Wii U  GPGPU is from the DX10 era, but can do similar to DX11 right.  And I don't know, with Sony spending little to none on R&D and just buying off the shelf, it could very well end up like this generation with inferior ports.  I'm far from "know it all" about tech, but I know enough to call BS.  You sir is talking crazy.



fatslob-:O on 21 September 2013
PigPen said:
fatslob-:O said:

No the cpu is just an ibm broadway processor with 3 cores and a higher clock, it's almost exactly the same as the Wii processor but with 3 cores at a higher clock. LOL GPGPU existed since the DX 10 era. Just because it's the first in gpgpu doesn't mean that it's any good in fact that's why I said VLIW was weak and that was because of its compute performance oh and BTW PS4 and xbone will blow it out of the water.


The whole emulation thing about the Wii U, I know you don't know what you're talking about.  The Wii U  GPGPU is from the DX10 era, but can do simular to DX11 right.  And I don't know, with Sony spending little to none on R&D and just buying off the shelf, it could very well end up like this generation with inferior ports.  I'm far from "know it all" about tech, but I know enough to call BS.  You sir is talking crazy.

Then what part of my last post was BS ?

Edit: Well so much for claiming BS on my part. Should have being more elaborative rather than then just saying I'm wrong LOL.



dahuman on 21 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
Woohoo another off topic thread! Anyways, PS4 and X1 wouldn't be hard to outpower lol.... In a year you can easily get hardware much more powerful at the same price and if SteamBox is Linux based then efficiency will be good as well.

Maybe not in a year but maybe 2 or so for the same price.


DDR4 man, DDR4.



cheesecake on 21 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:

No the cpu is just an ibm broadway processor with 3 cores and a higher clock, it's almost exactly the same as the Wii processor but with 3 cores at a higher clock. LOL GPGPU existed since the DX 10 era. Just because it's the first in gpgpu doesn't mean that it's any good in fact that's why I said VLIW was weak and that was because of its compute performance oh and BTW PS4 and xbone will blow it out of the water.

meanwhile, in another thread:

fatslob-:O said:

@Everyone

People here need to stop attacking/defending about the WII U's hardware. It's going to be the games that will show which console is more worthwhile to purchase not the one with the better hardware. Everyone here calm the F#ck down, your all getting extremely riled up over something pretty trivial such as the WII U's hardware. I'm a PC gamer also and even I understand the the fact that software sells hardware. 





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Scoobes on 21 September 2013
PigPen said:
Scoobes said:
PigPen said:


Wii U has a Multi-Core (3) CPU.   Sports a High Definition GPU, not a VLIW5 architecure.  I wouldn't begin to ask what that is you made up.  It does sport lots of EDRAM in a customize chip.  Capital was used for R&D to make the Wii U a specially designed console.  Developers will to have to use the Wii U hardware a special type of way to make games.  The Wii U console punches above it's weight.  

Valve Steambox could very well outpower the PS4.  The thought that some other hardware can be the powerhouse other then the PS4 got your panties in a bunch. And you know nothing about emulation, I can tell.

VLIW5 is AMDs older GPU architecture which, based on some pictures of the WiiU insides is likely what the GPU in WiiU is based on. The "High Definition GPU" is marketing talk as most mobile phone chips sport "High Definition GPUs". 

He's probably right about the emulation. The CPUs in all three next gen consoles are all fairly weak and relatively easy to emulate in raw power terms. The core architecture is supposedly the same for WiiU (from Wii) so even with its multi-core nature, it'd be relatively simple to do. The GPUs and emulating the specific drivers for each console's GPU is more problematic. As he said, bandwidth would also be an issue and generally, the hardware you're running an emulator on needs to be significantly more powerful compared to the device you're emulating. Therefore, WiiU as the weakest of the 3 would be the easiest to emulate.

I don't think anyone would bother though.

You are very wrong indeed.  The "Wii U" has a Power Based Multi - Core CPU. The GPU is in fact a GPGPU, and it's the first time ever used in a console.  While not new to PC's, it's not old how you trying to make it seem.  You talk like you really know what you're talking about.

It's not new for console GPUs at all. GPGPU is simply the term used for general purpose GPU processing; moving CPU tasks onto the GPU. Technically, both the 360 and PS3 were/are capable of this as developers can code specifically for the hardware available and are able to move CPU tasks onto the GPU if the developer chooses to. NVidia for instance have run PhysX on both PS3 and 360 which is a GPGPU based middleware engine.

Where did I even say how old the VLIW5 architecture was? VLIW5 is only 1 GPU generation older (well, technically 2 if you count VLIW4 but that was only used on a small set of AMD GPUs; HD 69XX series) than the current GPU gen (GCN in both PS4 and X1). I simply stated a fact about something you seemed to have no knowledge of. Take from that what you will.

As for the CPU, none of that disproves what I said. The Wii used a PowerPC based CPU (single core). The Wii U uses a 3 core PowerPC CPU where each core is based on the same architecture (as stated by Marcan). There are other improvements (higher clock, Out of Order execution etc.). Not sure what you're trying to say to be honest.




Get your Portable ID!

fatslob-:O on 21 September 2013
cheesecake said:
fatslob-:O said:

No the cpu is just an ibm broadway processor with 3 cores and a higher clock, it's almost exactly the same as the Wii processor but with 3 cores at a higher clock. LOL GPGPU existed since the DX 10 era. Just because it's the first in gpgpu doesn't mean that it's any good in fact that's why I said VLIW was weak and that was because of its compute performance oh and BTW PS4 and xbone will blow it out of the water.

meanwhile, in another thread:

fatslob-:O said:

@Everyone

People here need to stop attacking/defending about the WII U's hardware. It's going to be the games that will show which console is more worthwhile to purchase not the one with the better hardware. Everyone here calm the F#ck down, your all getting extremely riled up over something pretty trivial such as the WII U's hardware. I'm a PC gamer also and even I understand the the fact that software sells hardware. 



That wasn't an attack that was an accurate analysis LOL.



fatslob-:O on 21 September 2013
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
Woohoo another off topic thread! Anyways, PS4 and X1 wouldn't be hard to outpower lol.... In a year you can easily get hardware much more powerful at the same price and if SteamBox is Linux based then efficiency will be good as well.

Maybe not in a year but maybe 2 or so for the same price.


DDR4 man, DDR4.

No we need AMD to force GDDR6 for main memory man and not just leave at the GPU. DDR4 does jack for high bandwidth purposes LOL.



dahuman on 21 September 2013
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
Woohoo another off topic thread! Anyways, PS4 and X1 wouldn't be hard to outpower lol.... In a year you can easily get hardware much more powerful at the same price and if SteamBox is Linux based then efficiency will be good as well.

Maybe not in a year but maybe 2 or so for the same price.


DDR4 man, DDR4.

No we need AMD to force GDDR6 for main memory man and not just leave at the GPU. DDR4 does jack for high bandwidth pruposes LOL.


We are talking about outpowering X1 or PS4, DDR4 is plenty to do that job running on an efficient OS like Linux. GDDR6 is more like outpowering current high end PCs.



fatslob-:O on 21 September 2013
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
fatslob-:O said:
dahuman said:
Woohoo another off topic thread! Anyways, PS4 and X1 wouldn't be hard to outpower lol.... In a year you can easily get hardware much more powerful at the same price and if SteamBox is Linux based then efficiency will be good as well.

Maybe not in a year but maybe 2 or so for the same price.


DDR4 man, DDR4.

No we need AMD to force GDDR6 for main memory man and not just leave at the GPU. DDR4 does jack for high bandwidth pruposes LOL.


We are talking about outpowering X1 or PS4, DDR4 is plenty to do that job running on an efficient OS like Linux. GDDR6 is more like outpowering current high end PCs.

But can DDR4 beat GDDR5 ? I don't know about you but we need GDDR6 to rape the PS4 and xbone.