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iamdeath on 19 September 2013
PigPen said:
the-pi-guy said:
PigPen said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony pulls this off this just shows that their brand power is coming back. I was going to say 3.5 million for 2013 but if they have the hardware and don't plan on ever being sold out, then they might be able to pull it off. Whats 1.5 million if you're properly watching the hardware WW?


Their brand power was never gone.


That's why Sony went from selling about 150 million PS2 consoles to selling less then a 100 million PS3 consoles.  And it's not that I think the PS3 will reach a 100 million, I'm just giving it room for error on my part so I don't under and overstate sells.

A 600$ video game system with no games* usually dies, so it's beyond impressive that it even managed to sell 50 million consoles.  Most of that was because of the brand power.  If a different company released a 600$ with the same games that the PS3 saw, it would probably only sell a few million, if that.  

*Not necessarily that it didn't have any games, but it had very few big system sellers that the Xbox 360 didn't have.  


Sony didn't sell 50 million consoles at $600 dollars.  You know price cuts give console sales a boost for those that where on the fence about buying.  The real factor about the PS3 was Blu-ray.  Being fairly new at that time, and what Blu-ray players cost in stores made the PS4 look like a steal even with its high price. Sony has nothing like that too help sell the PS4. 

?? sopny doesn't need help and ps4 is not 600 bucks......................

 

Your psot makes zero sense, yuo think ps4 has nothing to sell itself? Bluray did not do near as much for ps3 as you think, bluray was unproven and digital streaming has gotten huge, bluray never caught on like DVD did.



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PigPen on 19 September 2013
betacon said:
PigPen said:
the-pi-guy said:
PigPen said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony pulls this off this just shows that their brand power is coming back. I was going to say 3.5 million for 2013 but if they have the hardware and don't plan on ever being sold out, then they might be able to pull it off. Whats 1.5 million if you're properly watching the hardware WW?


Their brand power was never gone.


That's why Sony went from selling about 150 million PS2 consoles to selling less then a 100 million PS3 consoles.  And it's not that I think the PS3 will reach a 100 million, I'm just giving it room for error on my part so I don't under and overstate sells.

A 600$ video game system with no games* usually dies, so it's beyond impressive that it even managed to sell 50 million consoles.  Most of that was because of the brand power.  If a different company released a 600$ with the same games that the PS3 saw, it would probably only sell a few million, if that.  

*Not necessarily that it didn't have any games, but it had very few big system sellers that the Xbox 360 didn't have.  


Sony didn't sell 50 million consoles at $600 dollars.  You know price cuts give console sales a boost for those that where on the fence about buying.  The real factor about the PS3 was Blu-ray.  Being fairly new at that time, and what Blu-ray players cost in stores made the PS4 look like a steal even with its high price. Sony has nothing like that too help sell the PS4. 

Blueray in the ps3 didn't move jacks#1t


That's crazy talk, Blu-ray played its role.



iamdeath on 19 September 2013
PigPen said:
betacon said:
PigPen said:
the-pi-guy said:
PigPen said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony pulls this off this just shows that their brand power is coming back. I was going to say 3.5 million for 2013 but if they have the hardware and don't plan on ever being sold out, then they might be able to pull it off. Whats 1.5 million if you're properly watching the hardware WW?


Their brand power was never gone.


That's why Sony went from selling about 150 million PS2 consoles to selling less then a 100 million PS3 consoles.  And it's not that I think the PS3 will reach a 100 million, I'm just giving it room for error on my part so I don't under and overstate sells.

A 600$ video game system with no games* usually dies, so it's beyond impressive that it even managed to sell 50 million consoles.  Most of that was because of the brand power.  If a different company released a 600$ with the same games that the PS3 saw, it would probably only sell a few million, if that.  

*Not necessarily that it didn't have any games, but it had very few big system sellers that the Xbox 360 didn't have.  


Sony didn't sell 50 million consoles at $600 dollars.  You know price cuts give console sales a boost for those that where on the fence about buying.  The real factor about the PS3 was Blu-ray.  Being fairly new at that time, and what Blu-ray players cost in stores made the PS4 look like a steal even with its high price. Sony has nothing like that too help sell the PS4. 

Blueray in the ps3 didn't move jacks#1t


That's crazy talk, Blu-ray played its role.

A small one when digital was taking off an bluray never did take hold like DVD... Only video enthusiasts and early adopters cared for bluray. By the time PS3 got more mainstream appeal and a mainstream price. Bluray players were cheasp, so very few bought it juyst for bluray.

 

I cannot believe people are still using the bluray argument, What will your arguement be when PS4 outsells x1 and wii-u?



PigPen on 19 September 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
tres said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony pulls this off this just shows that their brand power is coming back. I was going to say 3.5 million for 2013 but if they have the hardware and don't plan on ever being sold out, then they might be able to pull it off. Whats 1.5 million if you're properly watching the hardware WW?

brand power?  $399  > $499  than sony> microsoft.  price is low enough for tax time


So I guess brand power and titles didn't help Sony eventually outsell Microsoft in seventh year sales (from launch to the present opposed to Microsofts launch to one year ago) but also in overall sales. 

Brand power and titles helped Sony loyalist.  Blu-ray winning out HD DVD, and now the only HD to go to.  Microsoft was forced to drop their HD.  The most powerful console (by specs on paper) with a Blu-ray player ($400 to $500 if not mustaken) made Sony a steal.  Even then after 7 to 8 years, PS3 just beat the Xbox360 barely. 



ethomaz on 19 September 2013
Seece said:
Ethomaz didn't you believe in the 13 mill rumours by of of 2013?

13 million rumors?

I read one about 7 or 10 million shipped at end of fiscal year 2013 (March 2014)... my prediction was always close to 5 million sold in 2013 calendar year... if Sony predents to ship 5 million at fiscal year my prediction will be close.

BTW I think Sony will  miss this forecast in a good way (over 5 million shipped at FY2013).



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PigPen on 19 September 2013
iamdeath said:
PigPen said:
betacon said:
PigPen said:
the-pi-guy said:
PigPen said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony pulls this off this just shows that their brand power is coming back. I was going to say 3.5 million for 2013 but if they have the hardware and don't plan on ever being sold out, then they might be able to pull it off. Whats 1.5 million if you're properly watching the hardware WW?


Their brand power was never gone.


That's why Sony went from selling about 150 million PS2 consoles to selling less then a 100 million PS3 consoles.  And it's not that I think the PS3 will reach a 100 million, I'm just giving it room for error on my part so I don't under and overstate sells.

A 600$ video game system with no games* usually dies, so it's beyond impressive that it even managed to sell 50 million consoles.  Most of that was because of the brand power.  If a different company released a 600$ with the same games that the PS3 saw, it would probably only sell a few million, if that.  

*Not necessarily that it didn't have any games, but it had very few big system sellers that the Xbox 360 didn't have.  


Sony didn't sell 50 million consoles at $600 dollars.  You know price cuts give console sales a boost for those that where on the fence about buying.  The real factor about the PS3 was Blu-ray.  Being fairly new at that time, and what Blu-ray players cost in stores made the PS4 look like a steal even with its high price. Sony has nothing like that too help sell the PS4. 

Blueray in the ps3 didn't move jacks#1t


That's crazy talk, Blu-ray played its role.

A small one when digital was taking off an bluray never did take hold like DVD... Only video enthusiasts and early adopters cared for bluray. By the time PS3 got more mainstream appeal and a mainstream price. Bluray players were cheasp, so very few bought it juyst for bluray.

 

I cannot believe people are still using the bluray argument, What will your arguement be when PS4 outsells x1 and wii-u?

There will be no arguement, that will be good for Sony.



iamdeath on 19 September 2013
PigPen said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
tres said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
If Sony pulls this off this just shows that their brand power is coming back. I was going to say 3.5 million for 2013 but if they have the hardware and don't plan on ever being sold out, then they might be able to pull it off. Whats 1.5 million if you're properly watching the hardware WW?

brand power?  $399  > $499  than sony> microsoft.  price is low enough for tax time


So I guess brand power and titles didn't help Sony eventually outsell Microsoft in seventh year sales (from launch to the present opposed to Microsofts launch to one year ago) but also in overall sales. 

Brand power and titles helped Sony loyalist.  Blu-ray winning out HD DVD, and now the only HD to go to.  Microsoft was forced to drop their HD.  The most powerful console (by specs on paper) with a Blu-ray player ($400 to $500 if not mustaken) made Sony a steal.  Even then after 7 to 8 years, PS3 just beat the Xbox360 barely. 

It launched 16 months later,,, left that convenient bit out... If you allign the launches it did not just barely beat it out. All the while being a lot more expensive. Not an issue this time.

 

Ps4 still has brand power...and no long late or expensive.



S.T.A.G.E. on 19 September 2013
PigPen said:
the-pi-guy said:
PigPen said:

A 600$ video game system with no games* usually dies, so it's beyond impressive that it even managed to sell 50 million consoles.  Most of that was because of the brand power.  If a different company released a 600$ with the same games that the PS3 saw, it would probably only sell a few million, if that.  

*Not necessarily that it didn't have any games, but it had very few big system sellers that the Xbox 360 didn't have.  


Sony didn't sell 50 million consoles at $600 dollars.  You know price cuts give console sales a boost for those that where on the fence about buying.  The real factor about the PS3 was Blu-ray.  Being fairly new at that time, and what Blu-ray players cost in stores made the PS4 look like a steal even with its high price. Sony has nothing like that too help sell the PS4. 

If you calculate the sales from the first launch year and line them up with Microsofts launch year Sony still sold more than Microsoft with a $600 console and not just one year, but multiple. When the price dropped it got worse. Its hardware and format brand power. 



CDiablo on 19 September 2013

Im shocked Sony would assume that in an unstable economy like this people have $500(system/game/psn/tax) to blow on a game console. Much less have $500 to blow on 1st gen hardware of a console with almost no games and the big games they have have similar experiences on current console(KZ,Infamous, multigen-plats). Shit if Sony sells 5 million by March, Id say XBOX sells 3 Million by then if people are that loose with their cash. I dont See X1 selling more than 1.5 by then or Sony more than 2.5.



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iamdeath on 19 September 2013
CDiablo said:
Im shocked Sony would assume that in an unstable economy like this people have $500(system/game/psn/tax) to blow on a game console. Much less have $500 to blow on 1st gen hardware of a console with almost no games and the big games they have have similar experiences on current console(KZ,Infamous, multigen-plats). Shit if Sony sells 5 million by March, Id say XBOX sells 3 Million by then if people are that loose with their cash. I dont See X1 selling more than 1.5 by then or Sony more than 2.5.


ROFL... Ps4 will do  way mroe the 2.5 by march. will do that beforre 2014.