Yeah you sure sound like a PC guy with your defense of Sony

What is the Sony camp afraid of? IDK but they attack Nintendo and MS more than they brag about PS4.

Specs is a maybe but that has never benefited a console

Public opinion is BS. The internet is not the world and the same thing happens for every Sony console launch. When they are released reality shows the opinion to be very different. See PSP, PSP Go, PS3, Vita launches.

Preorders are meaningless also. Wii U had a ton. PS3 had a ton. Vita had a ton. History shows a completely different side then the one you want to take.

Just look at your own comment for what they are afraid of. You didnty bring up exclusives. You said ntohing about games, so far its a lot of PC ports and yet another Killzone.

I've seen Sony fans on this site brag about getting "console exclusives". If its on PC but only on PS4 as far as console go, its now being considered exclusive just so they have something to brag about. You have pro Sony sites pushing indie games as more important than AAA games because that is really all it has atm.

See if PS fans really had something to brag about, they would be doing it. Not focused on sales of Wii U games to justify their purchase.

Every reason I have seen used against Wii U since launch applies to PS4 as well, so of course they dont want to focus on the PS4 atm.

You make an attempt at accusing me of defending Sony, yet your wording is biased against Sony more than I am biased towards Sony. Go search my post history, I called kill zone pretty but genneric. I clearly expressed my lack of interest in racing game.

I didn't bring up exclusives because as I'm aware they both have same number of exclusives, quality is purely a subject of opinion. Are you implying that one party's exclusives are better than the others?

Don't you think while you're accusing me of biased towards Sony, aren't you clearly biased towards Microsoft? Please don't be hypocritical.

ELE <3

Awwh, thanks!  I'll try and make more just for you ;P

What are you trying to say? That Mario games are amongst the ugliest Nintendo games but still sell the best? That Halo is ugly compared to Killzone or Crysis but still massively outsells them or that Gran Turismo isn't as good looking as the latest Forza but still destroys it in sales? Guess what, none of that is true because Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 are the best looking Wii games, Halo 4 is just as impressive as Killzone 3 or Crysis 3 and GT5 looks better than Forza 4 so using those franchises as an example that good graphics don't correlate with massive sales is an asinine claim to make. And God of War 3 sold 6m+ which is more than Kinect Sports so get it right before starting a dick measuring contest.

Why are you so bothered by what people think is the most powerful system or whether the best looking games are also the bestselling? You keep reiterating that you don't care which only screams to me that you are extremely offended by people with a conflicting opinions to your own and you're painfully insecure about your own preference. I could be wrong but if you truly didn't care this thread wouldn't exist.

If you want to argue about the best looking games then do so, but the games you mentioned are and have always been praised for gameplay.  Graphics is nice and all but it only suplements gameplay. And that graphical powerhouse called Mario outsells entirely based off of graphics according to you.

The whole argument of my plastic box is more powerful than your plastic box is both annoying and repetitive.  What makes it worst is that we have the same people over and over arguing about it.  There is some people genuinely interested about what is going on with the hardware, but the constant argueing (Not discussion) needs to be left behind.

I also already explained I care more about the discussion that these threads are producing, not the power of a console.  Sorry but I wouldve bought a Vita over 3DS if that is what i truly cared about.

Funny thing is I'll take a less realistic shooter like CoD or Halo than Killzone or Battlefield. Great those games look great but they sure ass hell aren't nearly as fun as CoD or Halo (Obviously an opinion loser). Not that those games aren't fun just not nearly as fun as CoD and Halo.

I dont care about sales threads at all?  Doom threads and visual threads would be ok on occasion but the problem is we have way too many and the same people arguing in every one.

nope. if you dont like the discussions dont join them

We just need PC gamers to pile on and put the smack down on both PS4 and Xbox One. That would make it interesting.