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@bold - you hit the nail there... F2P was created in the PC world to try to go around piracy, the used game market in PC is microscopic compared to the consoles. the F2P is making is way to consoles just because it proved it self, in PCs, to be a functional method to generate revenue. Second hand market in consoles had nothing to do with it.

on topic - not a reply to kowen
i have to agree about the usual whining about the price of new consoles... if they are so much expensive to build, and we are getting at least 5 years of support why is  500 or 600 dollars so much? we are not in the 90's no more... if sony did the PS4 with 600$ price tag in mind, it would be 2X more powerful and would give them more money to invest in games, you know games, the thing we like to do on consoles...

On the Interwebs, no matter the view, there are almost always at least 2 very vocal minorities that will oppose any move being done, and the end result is when the move happens, they end up screaming about it.  End result is, when you view the community, it looks like it is full of individuals who can't make up their mind and hate everything.

The fact that ps3 was never going dreamcast was not really the point. I do agree with some of what you are saying though, the gaming media is really immature, the industry as a whole is. Even the reviews are not professional, gaming has a long way to go.

With regards to the x1 however, i do not agree, MS were way too soon forcing anti-consumer policies on an industry that simply isn't ready. That backlash was warrented imo. To me that showed the true intent of a company, and it certainyl never had the consumers interest at heart.

everything about this is just soo laughable..

..firstly, it's not welcome to the internet,. it's welcome to our world.  everything from state politics to office politics to sports to whatever.  anyplace there are hearts and minds to be won there will be haters and they have to hate.  the fans of gaming aren't going to be any different than the rest of human nature.  if you don't get that then you're just naive to the basic elements of what it means to be human.  and as if this is even recent: genesis does what nintendon't...

but even more laughable kowen,.. you've got a well established reputation of posting abrasively agressive opinions, stating your opinions as if they were facts, sarcasm, back-handed compliments, and condescension.  so what's your point in posting this?  you're just like the rest of us..

I didn't see many put downs of Sony after E3. Obviously there were the Xbox trolls who still acted like they were somehow going to implement DRM and would say stuff like "only one new game lol" but if you just listen to the crowd it's pretty obvious that was one of the most positive reactions gaming audiences have given a new console in awhile. Just gotta try to get the bigger perspective rather than taking one detractor as the larger audience.

The OP and the article quoted aren't talking solely about the "xb1 backlash" or calling out neogaf as the sole pit of internet filth and whininess.  The points made are very valid imo, and take all console manufacturers and game forums, basically our whole industry into consideration.  People in this industry are very quick to sit behind a computer screen and spew complaints about everything and nothing towards any and all events that unfold from all party's involved.  No matter what any company does, whether it be MS, Sony or Ninty, they cannot make everyone happy...nor do many people seem to want to be happy, as they are seemingly more content to be discontent and whine and find fault and point fingers even to the extent of hateful posts and/or death threats.  And nothing can be more wrong or pitiful than that over something that stems from something that should be as fun as playing a video game.

MS made a product...and they ARE NOT wrong to make it any which way they please.  It's their product.  If you like it, then buy it...if you don't care for it, then don't buy it.  Simple as that.  This whole thought process of how MS was going to force this and that on the consumer is pure BS.  Noone had already paid for one and was then told this was how it had to be.  NOONE was forcing anyone to buy it.  Step away from your blind allegiance to the phony armies of S, MS and N and understand that if you don't like one product that you could choose another...but there is nothing wrong with how any of the three make their products.  Choose the one that suits you rather than people raising such an internet fuss that it sways a company from their vision of the future and returns the product to the mundane same old, same old just to try and make people happy again (which still didn't work).

I agree with the op, the forums are filled with blind allegiance, whiners and unfounded hatred...and it's a sad sad thing that it has come to this in an industry that should be focused on entertainment, innovation and FUN.

Stopped reading when he got to used games at the may reveal. Sure he may get to a good point, but this guy doesn't understand us.

you're posting style vs gifs is just different means to the same ends.    and whatever, report me if you want to.  for how many threads have been derailed by the bickering between yourself, peuz, and ethomaz the irony of this thread is just far to great to not call it out.  i just can't,. i just can't not do it.

While I'll agree, it's always been like that. This is nothing new.
PS2 players ragged on xbox gamers, then xbox made a resurgence with 360, and talked shit for a good 4 years. Now ps4 is coming back in dominance and it looks like vengeance will be had haha.

I think it's kinda fun actually. Maturity is to accept immaturity.

By the way, Sony dumbed on MS by offering Assassin's Creed 3 for PS PLUS-Users. It's so funny, MS tries to keep up with Sony and offered AC 2 a month ago and Sony strikes back with a smart, humiliating move.

(I think AC 2 is better than AC 3 but it's oooold and everyone already should have played it)

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-Mr Khan