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Somini on 22 August 2013

What the hell is AMD talking about, it's not like the made the thing!?

Just leave the analysis to the posters on this website :)



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Captain_Tom on 22 August 2013
Gamecube said:
It sounds like cool tech. My problem with AMD is they always talk about new tech and how great it is. When the rubber hits the road, performance is never what is promised. It's all hear say, if I chose to listen to anybody it would be the software developers. It's really just a choice between theory or reality.


Besides the FX series.  Do you have any specific examples?  I am curious...



Captain_Tom on 22 August 2013
ethomaz said:
landguy1 said:
Gamers are so easily swayed by the marketing hype. So, AMD has a new processor tech and they are saying that it makes everything better if you use it. Did anyone expect them to say that their new advertising slogan of hUMA is garbage and doesn't help performance? AMD/Intel are always saying some crap about how their new "tech" is going to revolutionize the power of the gaming/pc world. All of these ideas take years for developers to even take a look at, as they would have had to plan for that at the beginning. Even if they had some plan to do so, do you think that the code writers were instant experts at do it? Also, if you assume that these capabilities do enhance the capability of their processor, has it been studied or used by enough people to determine if there is some type of trade off being made. The short answer is Probably Not or No.

New processor tech takes years to be implemented into the software and unless Intel is doing the same, won't be implemented at all. The reason is that almost everyone of these games(even first party) will be ported to another system or PC at some point. If you write the program with too little or no ability to use or not use a tech that is implemented in so few machines, you are throwing away a shit ton of $$$ long term. Developers know that games last forever now. It can be released on one system and years later released to all systems via digital downloads.

Bottom line = Don't fall for the PR B.S.

It is not really new and I can't think any Unifed Memory system working without that... Xbone have something similar too.

The name is a new marketing word... hUMA... like Cloud is too but I won't enter in this discussion


The name is not a marketing word.  As someone who actually understands these things, I can say hUMA is a pretty big deal that could increase performance by a ton.  

Also I am tired of this "MS said this" crap to.  Everything MS has said in the past half a year has either been changed, retracted, or proven to be total BS (Teh CLOUD).  Of course they say they have something similar!



deskpro2k3 on 22 August 2013

 

seems like an appropriate place to put this. feel free to use this wherever you guys want lol



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SSD: Kingston FURY Renegade 4TB
Gaming Console: PLAYSTATION 5 PRO
JoeTheBro on 22 August 2013

https://twitter.com/yosp/statuses/370563647942438912

I guess yosp agrees with AMD.



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Somini on 22 August 2013

Looks like Microsoft complained to AMD about their statement :D

PS4 Vs Xbox One: AMD Retracts Performance Comparison

Paul Walker


AMD move to retract comments about an alleged performance gap between the PS4 and Xbox One.

Published on Aug 22, 2013

Speaking at Gamescom, AMDs senior product marketing manager, Marc Diana, recently stated that the way in which the PS4 is constructed would allow the console to outperform the Xbox One.

AMD have now moved to retract those comments, releasing the following statement.

"During a recent Gamescom 2013 interview, an AMD spokesperson made inaccurate statements regarding the details of our semi-custom APU architectures.  

 

"AMD will not comment on the Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PS4 memory architectures and will not speak for Microsoft, Sony or other AMD customers."

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2052820/ps4_vs_xbox_one_amd_retracts_performance_comparison.html



ShinmenTakezo on 22 August 2013

I think some people fail to understand what exactly is going on with this. The APU in the One is made by AMD. It is not MS' tech, it is AMD's. MS' apu was not built MS. MS had AMD make a custom apu. This is exactly the same thing Sony did. MS does not have HUMA or anything similar. Either you have it or you don't. There is no in between. You can't sort of have heterogeneous unified memory access. This isn't software. It isn't just hardware. It is a different approach to computing. A more efficient way that allows CPU and GPU to cancel each others bottlenecks out. With current architecture you have to communicate with the CPU and GPU seperately. When data needs to get passed between the two, it has to be copied. HUMA eliminates that so one algorithm can communicate with CPU and GPU at the same time. Impossible without HUMA.



ethomaz on 22 August 2013

Microsoft got mad with AMD lol lol lol

The thuth hurts



ShinmenTakezo on 22 August 2013
Somini said:

Looks like Microsoft complained to AMD about their statement :D

PS4 Vs Xbox One: AMD Retracts Performance Comparison

Paul Walker


AMD move to retract comments about an alleged performance gap between the PS4 and Xbox One.

Published on Aug 22, 2013

Speaking at Gamescom, AMDs senior product marketing manager, Marc Diana, recently stated that the way in which the PS4 is constructed would allow the console to outperform the Xbox One.

AMD have now moved to retract those comments, releasing the following statement.

"During a recent Gamescom 2013 interview, an AMD spokesperson made inaccurate statements regarding the details of our semi-custom APU architectures.  

 

"AMD will not comment on the Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PS4 memory architectures and will not speak for Microsoft, Sony or other AMD customers."

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2052820/ps4_vs_xbox_one_amd_retracts_performance_comparison.html


Sad thing is this is just going to add fuel to the naysayers.

I can hear it now. "It can't be true, they said the staements were innaccurate!"



Captain_Tom on 22 August 2013
ShinmenTakezo said:
I think some people fail to understand what exactly is going on with this. The APU in the One is made by AMD. It is not MS' tech, it is AMD's. MS' apu was not built MS. MS had AMD make a custom apu. This is exactly the same thing Sony did. MS does not have HUMA or anything similar. Either you have it or you don't. There is no in between. You can't sort of have heterogeneous unified memory access. This isn't software. It isn't just hardware. It is a different approach to computing. A more efficient way that allows CPU and GPU to cancel each others bottlenecks out. With current architecture you have to communicate with the CPU and GPU seperately. When data needs to get passed between the two, it has to be copied. HUMA eliminates that so one algorithm can communicate with CPU and GPU at the same time. Impossible without HUMA.


Thank you!  Someone else here actually knows what he is talking about!