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I commend them for trying, with sources.

OK so on a very basic level, all one has to do to disprove Young Earth theory is to prove there are Earth rocks older than a 6000 years old. Even if you don't believe in 'billions', even 10,000 will do. Let's seperate out disproving YE from proving the 4.5 billion.

And this is is simple to do with radiometric dating. We know that the rate of radioactive decay is constant (do you want to dispute this?), and by taking an isotope ratio we can figure out how long it's been decaying for. And we have found plenty of rocks that are 10,000+ years old.

So what is your problem with that? Pick the single strongest argument please.

You do realize that your doing is a post hoc fallacy? There many reasons for poor education like standard test and poor standards. You think religious people are the reason why think  "antibiotics kills virus as well as bacteria." I mean seriously it's like you just quote things to confirm your thoughts without doing a inch of logical thinking (based on the data) or research beyond one site(from random search google). Did you research why we do poor on subjects?  Did you look at all secular nations in comparison to education and education plan. No wait that would require thinking beyond 2 minutes of google. This why no one take exterme atheist seriously on the Internet because they are just as bad as funimentalist Christians. I'm thinking what would happen if I gave this to my professors at my college he would laugh me out of class and give me F. The irony is I did a paper on this for my sociology on the education system and religion wasn't the factor based on multiple religious/non-religious homeschoolers out-ranking high schoolers on every subject.

Off-topic  Note: I will respond the other post, you replied to me in the other thread when I get the time to sit down on my PC. Been super busy with real world and only have IPad on me. Just wanted to remind you, so you know I didn't forget. I will message you it in pm this week when I get the free-time to get on my PC.

I can't believe you want me to entertain a website called creation.com for scientific information.

Furthermore, this guy has a degree in agriculture not geology.

Sorry, I can't take you seriously anymore. Do some independent research - you know, where you get science from...SCIENTISTS.

This "dr" and his criticisms could be resolved in a matter of seconds.

Furthermore, he never gives an age of the Earth. At best, if we accept all of his horseshit, he has it at 250,000 years not 10,000.

So I'll grant you everything and you're still off by an order of magnitude. Really speaks volumes, doesn't it?

I see the results. 

46% of Americans believe god put them there less than 10,000 years ago in present form.

This is totally incompatible with accepted scientific findings. 

And then you have people like happydolphin who think the scientists are conspiring against religion (despite upwards of 50% of them believing in god, just not necessarily a personal one). 

Just a question to this. How do we KNOW for certain that the rate of radioactive decay has always been the same? Scientists obviously haven't been around long enough to test or observe this. Its possible to have changes in these factors. Radiometric dating may be the best we got, but its not ultimately reliable because assumptions still have to be made in order to calculate a date. Any test which entail even the slightest measure of assumptions cannot be taken at 100% certainty. Original number of unstable atoms in a rock cannot be known, only stable and unstable atoms that remain in the rock today. Again its currently the best solution scientists use today but I dont see that it can be determined a fool proof measurement.

How do we know the Earth will continue to orbit the Sun? How do we know reality isn't simply a product of the matrix?

These types of criticisms are the epitome of lazy and fatuous rebuttals.

Nothing in science is a certainty. It's always the best possible answer at that particular time until we have information to modify, enhance, or cast it aside. It's completely asinine to suggest we simply take nothing for the morrow, especially when these same principles brought about modern medicine, technology, etc.

It works. The methodology is demonstrably true and if a specific established principle is incorrect, you need only wait. That's the beauty of science - it isn't dogma. It adapts to conform to reality, unlike religion.

What is your attack on the methodology? Assumptions? The radiometric dating methodologies have checks, as in naturalistic phenomenon like tree rings and coral growth. Using these independently confirms the validity.

I am not going to name names but some people here seem to think just because they use obscure words it makes them seem smarter. The anti religion rants on the internet are now bordering hostile.

Just because some extremist religious groups are up to what they have been up to for thousands of years and spew hate, all other religious are lumped with them and are treated as villains.

Some "Anti-Religion Superhero Types" feel like they are doing the right thing by putting down peoples beliefs while becoming the very same thing they are railing against. What a beautiful world we live in.

Written by a atheist.........like always, its like they got something to prove. Like they have some principle to stand up to global organizations that believe in a higher power. Ok, we get it, you are free and unbound by religious rules to live your life......you can stop (ironic) preaching about it.

But personally, look no further then Egypt and Israel/Palestine to see Religion done wrong.

This thread truly amuses me.

You know, I spent a large majority of my life indifferent to religion. I really did. I live in Canada so we're not that religiously motivated here; I mean, there are religious people and preachers and I live in a very religious community, but for the most part we keep our religion and science/education/politics apart from one another. Spirituality is something very personal, and while my more-or-less analytical brain can't really subscribe to the idea that there's some cosmic greater being out there without proof, I didn't really care that people believed. Hell, many of my friends are religious and we get along fine because they obey the one cardinal rule of common sense and decency: they keep it to themselves.

I didn't really gain a hatred for religion and its influence on the world until I started realizing just how widespread the things in the comic I posted are. Stuff like jehovah's witnesses coming to my door and judging me for not believing what they believe, people who honestly want evolution banned or intelligent design taught alongside it. It's the people who protest gay rights or want women to stay in the kitchen because that's how the bible teaches it. It's all of those people who not only push their beliefs on others, but get away with it because of religious freedoms.

I've said from day one that, if you want influence and you want your beliefs respected, you need to prove them or at least offer a respectable amount of evidence.

Religion is a personal, spiritual connection to your beliefs. You can share them, but keep them out of places where they don't belong. Keep it out of everything that isn't home or church, and SIMPLE! enjoy life! We atheists that use proof and rationality and logic to dictate our lives will live happy lives and you'll do the same.

The reason I fight so aggressively against religion isn't because of the people who understand how to be decent people, but because of the crazy large number that seems to insist the world abide by their outdated morals and beliefs...and are succeeding. I don't want my life dictated by something that has absolutely no factual evidence backing it up. If there was even a small bit of proof that the lofty claims of the bible were true (and we're not talking the super vague examples that require a dozen leaps of logic to get to otherwise rationalized beliefs, nor are we talking the 'well some of the events may be true so that means all of it is' logic that so many exhibit), then I'd respect it more. as it stands, it's nothing more than mythology that entirely too many people foolishly interpret as fact.