Speak for yourself, I loved the advent of achievements and trophies. They keep me playing games far longer than I usually would, having extra goals to reach gives the game more longevity to reach. I rarely ever went through a game 100% unless I completely loved it, now I'm doing it much more often. I'm also playing through games on harder difficulties and working harder in the multiplayer. It's too bad NIntendo has yet to implement their own achievement system. 

I can't discredit something that doesn't deserve actual credit in the first place. And as for the list of movies you and I provided. One person purposely included a list of Sony's high profile flops disguised as "Hollywood blockbuster action films" and one person just compiled a list of award winning movies (or will have) to prop Sony up as something they are not. Guess who you are? Did you even click my links before stumbling to your keyboard with such a tepid response? I guess you're about as predictable as Sony is when it comes to designing software.

You provided two films that flopped, I provided a dozen critically acclaimed movies. Your argument was that Sony makes mad bad movies so they make bad games. I completely destroyed that by gives you a ton of films that got great reviews and did well at the box office. Now please tell me how my argument does not hold up? Oh and not all those films are award winning. Once again, if you had bothered to do the slightest bit of research you would have realized that a lot of those films are "Hollywood blockbuster action films", Men in Black, Spider-Man 1 and 2, Zombieland, Hellboy, and Skyfall. You're desperately trying to prove that Sony makes bad games because they've made a few bad movies. It's pathetic. Those two divisions have NOTHING to do with each other. Please try again. 

Because Nintendo isn't predictable when it comes to designing software?

Are you serious?

Super Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Smash Brawl, Pokemon...

Every single generation they keep making the same games over and over again. They do evolve, yes, and their gameplay is always good. But they're the definition of predictable. Every system they create have those games in one form or an other. Mind you, I enjoy their franchises, otherwise I wouldn't have bought a Wii U. But to say they're unpredictable, or that Sony is predictable compared to them is beyond hilarious.

Sony has made a lot of great games this past gen. So did Nintendo. And so did MS. This behaviour by people like you, where they feel the need to hate the competition in order to justify their purchases and allegience is seriously moronic.

Each of the 3 console manufacturers has contributed greatly to the advencement of the medium. If you don't see this, or aren't willing to ackowledge it, you're in deep denial.

And as a side note, have you taken a look at the miiverse posts that pop up once you finished a level? If those aren't a sign that achievements and trophies are needed and in fact [probably subconsciously] asked by Nintendo gamers, I don't know what is. Here's a hint of what I'm talking about: How many of these posts have their author talking about their incredibly fast time to the goal pole, or bragging that they've made it with a single try, and the likes? Bragging rights. Nothing more. And how many of those posts are nothing more than the user using the stamp that he just found? Achievement unlocked indeed. xD

You should probably ignore the troll. It's the perfect example of a fanboy that doesn't realize that other people can enjoy things he doesn't. Ignore the troll.

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Yeah I know, he's clearly not going to listen to reason. 

I wish people would read my posts more carefully and actually click and read the provided links before making such hyperbolic responses. Reading Comprehension. It does wonders for your intelligence.

I contributed , in my own opinion, a very succinct description of the new elements brought to the discussion by John Lucas, bro. Or if you prefer: I did the tldr;

Also, I think you have hollier than thou attitude confused with elitism. My thing is not to tro to project moral superiority, it is to establish that I am the smartest person in the thread, which assuming a represtentative distribution (which is probably being very generous to these forums) has about an 80% likelyhood of being correct. In other word, elitism.

To bring this back on topic as you all of a sudden became so concerned about: I think both Mummelmann and John Lucas are incorrect when they say Nintendo went after the tablet crowd with the gamepad. I think they are going after the DS/3DS dual screen experience. The gamepad has very little in common with a tablet and I think a lot of the market confusion is caused by people thinking like the two combatants in this thread; that it is supposed to be a tablet type device.

Yeah same here. It's a shame that someone can't even realize their argument has been completely destroyed and their only response is to now insult people. 

On achievements:

Achievements fall into the same category as flashy graphics and story telling in games. There is nothing inherently wrong with any of them, the problem arises when they are used to hide poor game making.

A game that is great is a game that you can pick up again time after time even though you have beaten it several times before. It relies on excellent game design to make the experience enjoyable over and over. If you can make a game like that, you are truly a great game maker.

The problem is that the world is now full of shitty game makers who either knowingly or by lack of skill make interactive movies,renderfests and trophy hunts rather than games. It is much easier to create a mediocre game and add to the playability by adding all sorts of achievements. Just listen to what some people go on about in this thread: Flying under every bridge in a helicopter... For the love of God. How many people are going to boot up their PS3 5 years from now to fly under all the bridges in GTA V again?

The way trophies are used in many games is a complete and total cop out from doing the extremely difficult work that is required to make a game great. It's a shame Nintendo hasn't implemented a trophy system some people say. Reading stuff like that makes it so obvious why people can't comprehend what John Lucas means when he calls Nintendo the only game maker and the stewards of the gaming industry.