Read what I write!

Sales numbers are not irrelevant, the 12 million by the end of the year prediction pretty much is. To understand the idea of this thread you have to realize that it is about relative sales between the three main consoles, not if the Wii U will sell 12 million by the end of the year or not. It's also a benefit to realize that the topic is not really about how all three consoles perform in the first year of release. The topic is infact pretty interesting since it touches on some of the main threats to the health over the overall industry. The predictions in this thread and in the initial thread a million years ago both serve the same purpose: They are window dressings, an illustration if you will. If you take them litterally and want to make the discussion about that, then you are missing the whole point of the thread. As someone else has said before, yet in a bit of a different context: It really isn't hard to fathom. Yet, here I am 24 hours later still posting why fixating on December 31st. is missig the point while getting blinded by minutae.

As for Mummelmanns post, it is styled directly to John Lucas so I'll hold off on commenting until he has had first cracks. He might have similar points to bring up as I would or he might not. In any case I am going to give him a fair shake to answer himself and not potentially steal any of his thunder. 

Oh, golden! I see JL has the TIME to talk about .. people calling out his predictions, but doesn't have the time to explain that here.

"johnlucas posted something on impertinence's wall:

Thank you for your words on the UNITY thread.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5836922

It's very clear what the point of the thread is but they don't want to see my proclamation come true so they work hard looking for anything to discredit me.

They think by discrediting me, they discredit the possibility of what I proposed.

So if Wii U goes from 4 million to 10 million in the span of a month then my prediction of 12 million is "wrong". But would that make my prediction that Wii U would have a massive turnaround wrong too?

No. I just missed the exact figure by a couple of million or so.

The 12 million by end of 2013 is not even the most important part of the topic.

But that's OK. I look forward to seeing them cluck like hens in the coming months & years.

This UNITY post was ALWAYS a long-range call."

So Johnny boy still thinks 10mill is doable? He has seen the numbers right??? What about when it just about hits 6m Lucas, will your opinion still be that WiiU is about to dominate?

You're wrong, the 12m figure shows that Lucas expect his ideal scenario to kick in NOW, not in a years time. Funny he doesn't even have to change the goalposts himself he has you doing it for him.

When that prediction fails miserably (it will) it throws his entire OP out of the window, unless like I said he moves the goalposts. So at what point do the numbers start to matter? hmm?

I don't think you quite graps that nobody values JL's point. It's complete hogwash that won't come true, and we use numbers to prove him wrong.

Ok, so if you insist that it's on topic, do you prefer I call it irrelevant instead? Shortsighted and lacking understanding of the topic? I'm fine with either.

I don't feel I need to answer for John Lucas' own predictions for the path of the market, but I would suspect that he was expecting a much more robust salles boost by now.

Here is the disconnect between me and the rest of you: I realize that even if the Wii U sells 3 million units this year, the overall scenario is still very much possible. John Lucas is predicting an outcome, you guys are arguing scale of numbers. It's missing the point completely.

Or to put it in plain language: If the Wii U sells thorugh 10 million units by the end of 2014 it could still be in a position to dominate the market if the PS4 and XBox One has only sold 3 million each. It's a matter of scale. And as unnecessary as it should be to point out: please don't take this as me predicting anything about the actual sales for any of these consoles.

There are other people on this website than John Lucas. It could be a worthy strategy for Seece to post something that others might find re-readable.

I'm all for Lucas getting crap for his predictions not coming true. That's what happens to every other user ever, why should he be any different just because he made a full novel-long post and made bad predictions for years and years to come? Seems silly to me. His predictions aren't allegory, they aren't exaggerated, they're specific things he said would happen that haven't. On a site that looks at sales, the comeuppance of poor predictions is pretty standard. Until he predicts something that actually comes true in this thread I see no reason people shouldn't focus on the things he already got wrong.  It's true that he could end up right in the long run by some act of God, but as of right now everything that is happening in the real world points towards him being wrong, and that's what bringing up these initial sales and 2013 predictions shows.  

I'm not here your entertainment, and the waffle in the OP has been discussed and buried now, it's meangingless and won't happen thus isn't worth a second thought of anybody's time. All there is to focus on is the numbers. And that we will.

The fact you think the WiiU can still be gen leader after the past year tells me all I need to know.
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You think you are on topic because you think you understand what the topic is about, but as I have said, it doesn't matter. I am not a forum nazi who insist everything is on topic always. Pretty funny though that it's so difficult to grasp the essence of the thread. 

And while we're trying to guess peoples motivations for posting what they do: You simply don't know how to properly refute the main argument so you cop out by declearing it not discussion worthy and attacking a strawman instead.

Here's an interesting thing I have noticed. You have said many times over that the scenario laid out in the OP is not going to happen, but so far I have not seen one line of reasoning as to why. Nothing beyound "it's mumbo jumbo" in any case. You were quick to jump in with a "me too" when Mummelmann offered his thoughts though. Again, it's ok, you have your thing you do. I have mine. So, next week feel free to jump in again with your glee at the subpar Wii U numbers, and if I can be bothered I'll offer up my snarky commentary on your contributions. By that time, maybe I've even covered some of the things in the OP that makes sense and what I think is unrealistic?

No it isn't and even if it was, it is still worthwhile to post things of value.

No, I am on topic, the moderator and site admin above you agrees with me, as does everybody else. Like I said, you're the one off topic not me. I can graps the essence of the thread, you just fail to acknowledge that I think it's meaningless to discuss his ramblings.

@ Bold, you've seen plenty, not my fault if you chose to ignore them. And with that I'm done with you, if you continue with this off topic BS it'll be you reported for spam, either contribute or get out.