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Fusioncode on 25 November 2013
impertinence said:
Fusioncode said:

The entire argument Lucas made was to back up his sales prediction. I'm not sure why you don't understand that. If you actually looked at his first prediction then you'll realize that Lucas predicted the "meteoric rise and domination of the market" would have already begun. Why else would he predict 12 million in sales before the year's end. I'm not seeing Sony and Microsoft being forced out of the market, in fact, I see them breaking records while the WiiU clings to pathetic sales.  

You are wrong again. The point of the thread is not to make a prediction about life time Wii U sales, it's to predict the evolution of the videogame market to where it will be completely dominated by Nintendo.

It's a fair thing to disagree with this prediction, as I have said myself, I share your pessimism that Sony and Microsoft will continue grinding the market down to the lowest possible denominator and leave it as impotent and bland as the movie industry. However, don't pretend that the sales of the three systems through this holiday has much impact on the points in the OP. What you and others are doing in this thread is basically hacking away at a strawman, the funny thing is that the strawman was set up by John Lucas himself :D

Yes Sony and Microsoft are destroying gaming. Sigh, so you're one of those fans. Well I'm done arguing with you, not much point in it anymore. Last words, yes sales of a system does have an impact on it's success. The fact that the WiiU is completely bombing even with several high profile titles shows exactly why this system isn't going to dominate this gen. I look forward to this thread being bumped in a year or so when WiiU has fallen to a distant third place. 



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justinian on 25 November 2013
Metalheadgamer said:

I agree with the arguments. I don't take any numerical predictions seriously. It just seems logical that Sony might not last very long after that comment made by Andrew House on how the playstation 4 has to be success from the beginning. If it is, then Sony is safe. If it slows down after launch.....who knows how long they'll last.

Microsoft, on the hand, has never made money with the xbox brand. They have tons of money, of course! Impossible to run out of business!....but there's a limit on how willing you are to lose money.


To me they are both on rocky ground if not on the same patch of rock. Sony is indeed on the rockier ground but I hope they come through OK.

Where MS end up is the decision of the investors. If xbone sales slows down and Elop replaces Ballmer then who knows. Elop doesn't come across as an xbox fan and if the investers that want rid of the division can get him in the top seat who knows. It's not about money as such to the investers. It's about concentrating on their core products like Server where they have lost mega market share and have voiced concerns over googles growing ambitions in the desktop market.

Again I hope they keep the division.



impertinence on 25 November 2013
Seece said:
impertinence said:
Seece said:

That does not deserve to even be discussed, if it were soley about that the thread would be locked anyway. It's not worthy of debate as it isn't going to happen, and then if it did, people would never flock to WiiU because it doesn't magically change the system.

That's not what he has based his predictions on either, unless he thought MS and Sony were gonna pack up game THIS holiday.

This basically confirms that you don't understand what the topic is even about. No wonder you think you're being logical and on topic.

I know what the topic is about, WiiU dominating the 8th gen and selling ludicrus numbers. I don't care what his reasoning is, it isn't happening. Face the facts, you just don't like people calling out his predictions when they're failing.

So, you just chose to ignore the topic and rave on every week about something that has very little to do with the main argument? It doesn't matter how you feel about the merit of the topic. I find it interesting although very unlikely. If it'd not worth discussing to you, then just don't engage in the discussion. Simple as that. No need to take it off topic with strawman attacks because you don't think the topic has merit.

I don't agree with John Lucas either, but the ideas are not as far fetched as they might seem. Sony is in perilous water, if they see the market respond to the PS4 as it has to the Wii U for an extended time it could get very dicey. I don't care about people calling out predictions, but I do find it tedious when people repeatedly bring up the same irrelevant point over and over and over. Face the facts, the only counterpoint you've been able to bring to the real point of the thread is: "It's not going to happen so it's not worth talking about". In other words, zero contribution.



Anfebious on 25 November 2013

Don't worry Seece this thread will never die, we will always count on you to revive the thread .



"I've Underestimated the Horse Power from Mario Kart 8, I'll Never Doubt the WiiU's Engine Again"

Lonely_Dolphin on 25 November 2013

I just wanna know how the Wii U is gonna start selling 1 million a week. :L



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Anfebious on 25 November 2013
Einsam_Delphin said:
I just wanna know how the Wii U is gonna start selling 1 million a week. :L


Supply man. Sony and Microsoft are going to sell 1 billion consoles this generation. If they have supply for that many consoles I'm sure Nintendo has supply for 1 million a week.



"I've Underestimated the Horse Power from Mario Kart 8, I'll Never Doubt the WiiU's Engine Again"

Seece on 25 November 2013
impertinence said:
Seece said:
impertinence said:
Seece said:

That does not deserve to even be discussed, if it were soley about that the thread would be locked anyway. It's not worthy of debate as it isn't going to happen, and then if it did, people would never flock to WiiU because it doesn't magically change the system.

That's not what he has based his predictions on either, unless he thought MS and Sony were gonna pack up game THIS holiday.

This basically confirms that you don't understand what the topic is even about. No wonder you think you're being logical and on topic.

I know what the topic is about, WiiU dominating the 8th gen and selling ludicrus numbers. I don't care what his reasoning is, it isn't happening. Face the facts, you just don't like people calling out his predictions when they're failing.

So, you just chose to ignore the topic and rave on every week about something that has very little to do with the main argument? It doesn't matter how you feel about the merit of the topic. I find it interesting although very unlikely. If it'd not worth discussing to you, then just don't engage in the discussion. Simple as that. No need to take it off topic with strawman attacks because you don't think the topic has merit.

I don't agree with John Lucas either, but the ideas are not as far fetched as they might seem. Sony is in perilous water, if they see the market respond to the PS4 as it has to the Wii U for an extended time it could get very dicey. I don't care about people calling out predictions, but I do find it tedious when people repeatedly bring up the same irrelevant point over and over and over. Face the facts, the only counterpoint you've been able to bring to the real point of the thread is: "It's not going to happen so it's not worth talking about". In other words, zero contribution.

I am discussing the OP, just not the part you want peopel to discuss, sorry but this isn't a dictatorship, can't tell people what to talk about.

@ Anfebious, won't need to come January! It'll be pretty obvious the state of things, anyone still believing in the OP is doing so for unknown reasons. If it just becomes JL and his fans talking about the impossible then it'll be locked.



 

impertinence on 25 November 2013
Fusioncode said:
impertinence said:
Fusioncode said:

The entire argument Lucas made was to back up his sales prediction. I'm not sure why you don't understand that. If you actually looked at his first prediction then you'll realize that Lucas predicted the "meteoric rise and domination of the market" would have already begun. Why else would he predict 12 million in sales before the year's end. I'm not seeing Sony and Microsoft being forced out of the market, in fact, I see them breaking records while the WiiU clings to pathetic sales.  

You are wrong again. The point of the thread is not to make a prediction about life time Wii U sales, it's to predict the evolution of the videogame market to where it will be completely dominated by Nintendo.

It's a fair thing to disagree with this prediction, as I have said myself, I share your pessimism that Sony and Microsoft will continue grinding the market down to the lowest possible denominator and leave it as impotent and bland as the movie industry. However, don't pretend that the sales of the three systems through this holiday has much impact on the points in the OP. What you and others are doing in this thread is basically hacking away at a strawman, the funny thing is that the strawman was set up by John Lucas himself :D

Yes Sony and Microsoft are destroying gaming. Sigh, so you're one of those fans. Well I'm done arguing with you, not much point in it anymore. Last words, yes sales of a system does have an impact on it's success. The fact that the WiiU is completely bombing even with several high profile titles shows exactly why this system isn't going to dominate this gen. I look forward to this thread being bumped in a year or so when WiiU has fallen to a distant third place. 

No, Sony and Microsfot are not destroying gaming. They are vessels for Western Third parties to destroy gaming. At least I am somewhat concerned that they are. Of course, if you're one of those people who think Avatar is a step forward in movie history, we are on opposite sides of the fence. Don't worry, I am pretty sure that you and your ilk will get your way so you will be able to enjoy your Uncharted series/Grand Theft Auto/Beyond: Two Souls or whatever you enjoy playing.

This post was moderated by ilk leader, axumblade



Anfebious on 25 November 2013
Seece said:


@ Anfebious, won't need to come January! It'll be pretty obvious the state of things, anyone still believing in the OP is doing so for unknown reasons. If it just becomes JL and his fans talking about the impossible then it'll be locked.


I will save the thread then . We could be sitting at a gold mine man.



"I've Underestimated the Horse Power from Mario Kart 8, I'll Never Doubt the WiiU's Engine Again"

Yakuzaice on 25 November 2013

I'm not sure why you (impertinence) are acting like Lucas' arguments are any better than his predictions.  I'd say the gist of at least his OP was that the Wii U would take off, the PS4 and XBO would languish and die, and third parties would be coming back home to Nintendo.  All of these things combined would lead to Nintendo unifying and dominating gaming. 

So how are those things going so far?  The Wii U is still doing terrible, even after a price cut, a bunch of bundles, and a somewhat decent flow of games.  While it is still early to say the fate of the PS4 and XBO, so far they are breaking records and looking to catch up to the Wii U in the west in very little time.  Third party games both multiplatform and exlusive have continued to do poorly on the Wii U.  I think pretty much all the series that saw a release in both 2012 and 2013 are tracking behind the ones from last year.

Lucas seems to confer upon Nintendo some sort of omniscient status.  The idea that it was all part of their master plan to kill off the Wii and replace it with a system that is losing them money and selling worse than the Dreamcast is just ludicrous.