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| johnlucas said: You know I was gonna leave the forum for the night but I just can't let this post from Daisuke72 stand unchallenged.
Nintendo Is THE BEST Developer In The Videogame Business. And if you don't BELIEVE that fact let me take you to VGChartz's Game Database. 1. Wii Sports (Wii), 2. Super Mario Bros. (NES), 3. Mario Kart Wii (Wii), 4. Wii Sports Resort (Wii), Even if you take out the perennial pack-ins like Wii Sports, Super Mario Bros., Tetris & Duck Hunt, the Top 10 STILL is ALL Nintendo. 1. Mario Kart Wii (Wii), 2. Wii Sports Resort (Wii), 3. Pokémon Red & Green [Blue] (GB), 4. New Super Mario Bros. (DS), The only game to come close to challenging this juggernaut of titles is Rockstar's legendary Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for the PS2. That's just the Commercial side of the equation though. We also know about Nintendo's Critical Acclaim throughout the industry. And if you want to talk about Nintendo's Influential power, we'll be here all day. No I'm not gonna get into that. I'll just stick to the software side. Donkey Kong & Super Mario Bros. How many platformers came out of this mold since these games came out? Do you think Mega Man would exist without them? This is not only my opinion that they are THE BEST. It is a documentable FACT that they are THE BEST. Sony might have the MOST 1st party studios in its portfolio but they don't have the BEST 1st party & the sales charts, critical acclaim, industrial influence reflect that.
Nintendo was responsible for creating that reality all the way back in the 1980s. All this tech tech tech talk comes from the world of PC developers. PC guys love to pore over all the technical hardware & software intricacies. MAGIC & SCIENCE are basically the same word: Knowledge. The Magician KNOWS. The Scientist KNOWS. Wii had less RAM than both the XBox 360 & PlayStation 3. It did not hurt it in the least. Sony & Microsoft are about to hit a wall chasing this rabbit called 100% photorealism. Graphics are finished & the horsepower pushed to deliver them is unnecessary overkill.
Nintendo can do better job with marketing for sure & we see The Regginator going on late night TV himself to do just that. And if Nintendo's 1st party didn't sell 100 million Wiis then who did? Remember, they had virtually no 3rd party with them this gen, remember? If motion control's a gimmick then everything's a gimmick including HD.
We're still talking about these N64 games to this day. Then there's the politics. The 3rd party made a united stand against Nintendo in the 5th gen using Sony as their political megaphone. The Gamecube's failures were an extension of what happened with the N64 with new difficulties. The system was excellent. Cheap, powerful enough to deliver whatever game a dev can dream, hidden 3D-viewing capabilities, small, light, low on power consumption, tough & durable. They came up with a new system that used the Gamecube at its core. That system started The Revolution. It was Gamecube's Revenge & you didn't insult it by calling it a Duct-Taped Gamecube because that so-called last-gen system trounced everything the HD Twins could put out. That's not enough for them though. They have proven they can do it alone. Do they make mistakes? Doggone right they do! Be lucky they make mistakes or nobody would ever be able to enter this business. And last thing. About your game budget argument. It'll come together for you soon enough. |
LOL "the best' is subjective, not factual, unless you determine that sales = being the best, then CoD consistently shits on every game, so by that logic Activision is the best? They're the ONLY developer able to sell 20M copies of a game every year, using your logic, they're the best, right?
So since that argument has been debunked, let's go towards quality of 1st party titles shall we? As of now, 14 1st party PS3 games have a 90 or better on Metacritic, versus only 7 1st party nintendo games on the Wii. I don't know why you're bringing in Nintendo's past accomplishment's from the N64 era considering that it's irrelevant to their current standard of quality, your argument that they're better recieved than Sony's is flawed.
The best game developer is Naughty Dog. Sure there games don't sell 10M, but their quality is top-notch and ALL of their games recieve universal acclaim, now who the hell are you to tell me I'm wrong cause you enjoy Mario rehashes more?
Critical acclaim, Gears of War, Halo, Gran Turismo, TLOU, Uncharted, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, GTA San Andreas and many other games from other consoles generated just as much acclaim as ANY nintendo game. I am not taking anything away from Nintendo, I grew up with a N64 butjust because their games paved the way for other's, simply doesn't mean they're the best in their own genre. However I do agree that Mario 64 and OOT are two of the best games ever created.
Also your argument towards the Wii U's power is simply ignorant Launch games shown on PS4 simply blow the Wii U out of the water and it's using DECENT specs. How can you knock a company for giving consumers a decent amount of power for their purchase? And then praise Nintendo for not doing the same at $350 they're offering current gen power with a tablet gimmick. Also, the whole, "Nintendo did this and did that" is completely off-topic and irrelevant, as that's the past and as of now they're in huge trouble.
And yes, the motion control sold most of the Wii's and it's a pure gimmick. IF they were so god sent then the attachment rate of the Kinect and PS move would be higher, and the Wii or the Wii U would still be saling decently, they aren't. The Wii didn't win current gen with games, as I proved earlier, they won with the gimmick, plain and simple and since the Wii U no longer has said gimmick, realistically they're chances to win current gen is low at this point.
HD is not a gimmick lol do you even know what a gimmick is?
Oh, and also, thank you for proving my point, the Wii U faces the same challenges that the GC, and N64 had, it's not about gamers magically feeling enlightened and switching over, it was the Wii's motion gimmick, game-wise the Wii's library isn't as good as the N64's nor Gamecube's, it just isn't and yet both of them got pounced, seeing as the motion gimmick is dead, how will the Wii U win?
Also, once again you're under the impression every third party developer is doing bad simply because SE is and the Wii U's 3rd party games are flopping and not getting sequels, this simply isn't true. Bethesda, Activision, EA, and Bioware are making killings. It's pathetic to see how many Nintendo fans want to see the game industry crash, simply because their beloved Nintendo isn't doing good. Also, the 3rd party giants wont collapse this gen, hah, do you know how much EA makes off Sport games? Activision off CoD alone? Bethesda of Elder Scrolls? Rockstar off GTA? Ubisoft on AC?
Also the Xbox and the Playstation brands also have compelling 1st party software, OTHERWISE the PS3 would've never caught up to the Xbox 360, they share the same library excluding third party, the 360 is cheaper and has better online, yet the PS3 sold 78M consoles with no boost from it's motion gimmick. You're under the false impression that EVERYONE likes Nintendo's 1st party, which simply isn't true. Alot of people see Mario games as childish and whatnot
Anyways tl;dr of the version is. Yes Nintendo has done alot for gaming, but they have failed multiple times and you have no concrete proof that the Wii U won't fail. The 1st party of Sony had more critical acclaim this gen despite lower sales, sales don't determine quality(look at metroid's metacritic and then it's sales, lol.) you're underplaying Sony's and MS's 1st party line-ups, 3rd party devs will be fine. Motion controls sold the Wii, not it's 1st party.
As someone in here pointed out, stop drinking the Nintendo Kool-aid.
This may be the best thread in history. Or at least of the last week or two. And reading it I feel... evangelized. All I want to do is play my Wii U and buy Pikmin 3...
John Lucas I suggest you stop wasting your time with Daisuke72, he clearly doesn't care to use common sense. You can't take someone serious that believes since CoD sells the most a year no one else can possibly sell more games lol. I guess he didn't know CoD doesn't sell anywhere near enough to beat all of the games Ninty releases a year lol. When you are a Ninty hater though that kind of logic just doesn't make sense. Even with CoDs incredible sells, Ninty still sells more games annually. I guess because that's pretty much all Activision has is CoD. Then he goes on about Metacritic and says in the same sentence "now who the hell are you to tell me I'm wrong cause you enjoy Mario rehashes more?" Apparently, you can't tell him if a game is good or bad but Metacritic can lol. I guess he didn't know Metacritic is just the opinions of others as well but hey when you are a Ninty hater, Metacritic is your Bible lol. He goes on about how other games generate critical acclaim has if you said only Ninty games generate critical acclaim. He's basically just twisting your words to make an argument, which is what a hater would do lol. He then talks about PS4 "launch games" lol. I didn't know the PS4 even released but again when you are a hater you tend to see things that aren't there. The tablet gimmick comment proves even further what his intentions are. He goes on to repeat they same hater stuff every other hater says. Wii should be still selling well if motion controls aren't a gimmick? Maybe it has slowed because it doesn't receive games period anymore? If motion controls was a gimmick then Just Dance 2014 shouldn't sell more than the "critically acclaimed" Last of Us. Yet it will and will prove if anything Metacritic loves Sony games but the world doesn't lol. Just Dance will sell more on a dead console than Last of Us on PS3 lol. Im not going to address the rest of it. Just don't waste your time, he's clearly a waste of time.
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| Daisuke The best game developer is Naughty Dog. Sure there games don't sell 10M, but their quality is top-notch and ALL of their games recieve universal acclaim, now who the hell are you to tell me I'm wrong cause you enjoy Mario rehashes more? |
sure its the best developer if you like interactive movies more then games, the last good game they made was Crash Bandicoot.
Man this thread just pulled me back to these forum... JohnLucas is back? Where the bloody hell have you been?!?! lol
I'm loving the debate between him and Daisuke72, even though I don't fully with J.L. here (mostly about 240 Millions in lifetime sales, that's bloody madning), Daisuke72 POV about the industry has more cracks than John's views and his is basically the same as my own, without the out-of-this-world, off-the-wall, ludicrous predictions! ;)
And proud member of the Mega Mario Movement!
| phenom08 said: John Lucas I suggest you stop wasting your time with Daisuke72, he clearly doesn't care to use common sense. You can't take someone serious that believes since CoD sells the most a year no one else can possibly sell more games lol. I guess he didn't know CoD doesn't sell anywhere near enough to beat all of the games Ninty releases a year lol. When you are a Ninty hater though that kind of logic just doesn't make sense. Even with CoDs incredible sells, Ninty still sells more games annually. I guess because that's pretty much all Activision has is CoD. Then he goes on about Metacritic and says in the same sentence "now who the hell are you to tell me I'm wrong cause you enjoy Mario rehashes more?" Apparently, you can't tell him if a game is good or bad but Metacritic can lol. I guess he didn't know Metacritic is just the opinions of others as well but hey when you are a Ninty hater, Metacritic is your Bible lol. He goes on about how other games generate critical acclaim has if you said only Ninty games generate critical acclaim. He's basically just twisting your words to make an argument, which is what a hater would do lol. He then talks about PS4 "launch games" lol. I didn't know the PS4 even released but again when you are a hater you tend to see things that aren't there. The tablet gimmick comment proves even further what his intentions are. He goes on to repeat they same hater stuff every other hater says. Wii should be still selling well if motion controls aren't a gimmick? Maybe it has slowed because it doesn't receive games period anymore? If motion controls was a gimmick then Just Dance 2014 shouldn't sell more than the "critically acclaimed" Last of Us. Yet it will and will prove if anything Metacritic loves Sony games but the world doesn't lol. Just Dance will sell more on a dead console than Last of Us on PS3 lol. Im not going to address the rest of it. Just don't waste your time, he's clearly a waste of time. |
Yeah I see that now.
I know my posts are long & windy but I covered every argument he made...THOROUGHLY.
EXTREMELY THOROUGHLY.
I covered Nintendo's Critical Acclaim by showing specific examples through accolades & awards on various games from various Nintendo systems.
He CANNOT POSSIBLY counter me on the Commercial aspect. That was the easiest of all.
I don't believe Call of Duty will be around in 20 years but I bet Mario will. Pokémon too.
And when I went over Nintendo's Influentialness in the Software side alone, he can't counter that.
Nintendo games have shaped game mechanics & game design throughout their history.
I totally checked out once he went by Metacritic.
The only opinion I ultimately go by is MINE. I dismiss critics or at best mildly consider their points.
Game sales don't always necessarily signal game quality but there's a very strong correlation.
I pay more attention to what people are playin' than what people are sayin'...if ya smell what The Rock is cookin'.
Games sell systems so when Nintendo stopped striking on Wii the sales dropped.
And when the games come hot & heavy for the Wii U, sales will hop.
Just like it did for the 3DS. It's already starting to show signs of this now.
All that I wrote wasn't a total waste of time though.
It'll be there for anyone else who needs to see those points.
I won't have to write it again. All I have to do is refer to it.
Thanks for the lookout, phenom08.
John Lucas
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richardhutnik said:
This could end up making a big difference, and be harmful long term. The Wii U has to be part of the development set that the ONE and PS4 have, or it isn't going to get the next gen third party stuff. And if those titles do sell, the U will get left behind. As of now, third party is not jumping on it, and only doing current gen stuff on it, if that. Nintendo is facing stuff like this: http://www.joystiq.com/2013/08/06/wii-u-not-on-bethesdas-short-term-radar/ Bethsoft sites capabilities of the Wii U as a major reason. |
So it's the fault of Nintendo that Bethsesda cannot hire proper programmers? Don't even circumnavigate and lie. It isn't the Wii-Us hardware. It is their incompetance. Even high end gaming PCs cannot run Skyrim at a very high framerate when maxed. It's pathetic.
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