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brendude13 on 17 July 2013

I'm guessing this doesn't apply to all the PS4 / PC indie multiplats?



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Vetteman94 on 17 July 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Vetteman94 said:
dsgrue3 said:

Your argument (along with Sales2099 and the OP) falls on deaf ears because it is utterly fallacious to suggest that a majority of gamers don't have a capable PC.

Its just as fallacious to suggest the opposite as you are doing.  Because you are also saying they have the willingness to play games on PCs,  which again you can't say they all or even a majority have.    The ease of use of a console will sway gamers to using it over a PC for games.   Plus you have to also take into account what their friends play as well,  people arent going to game on a PC if their friends are all on 360 or PS3.   So PCs dont matter in arguments like this.   

I can, actually. Because it isn't if you have a console do you own a gaming PC,  It's if you own a gaming PC do you own a console because the PC gaming market is the size of the entire console market combined.

You're choosing to ignore facts. Time to face reality and simply admit you're arguing from a minority position.

Well you are also assuming there is a huge overlap in PC gamers and console gamers, which you have no facts to back that up or any of your other claims either.  And how many in that PC gaming market are Facebook gamers and what not,  not exactly the type to be buying consoles.  You keep claiming you have facts yet fail to provide them,  and don't sit there and claim its common knowledge either or for me to go get them as its not my responsibility to provide that information.   

And again no you can't assume anything.   



sales2099 on 17 July 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Vetteman94 said:
dsgrue3 said:

Your argument (along with Sales2099 and the OP) falls on deaf ears because it is utterly fallacious to suggest that a majority of gamers don't have a capable PC.

Its just as fallacious to suggest the opposite as you are doing.  Because you are also saying they have the willingness to play games on PCs,  which again you can't say they all or even a majority have.    The ease of use of a console will sway gamers to using it over a PC for games.   Plus you have to also take into account what their friends play as well,  people arent going to game on a PC if their friends are all on 360 or PS3.   So PCs dont matter in arguments like this.   

I can, actually. Because it isn't if you have a console do you own a gaming PC,  It's if you own a gaming PC do you own a console because the PC gaming market is the size of the entire console market combined.

You're choosing to ignore facts. Time to face reality and simply admit you're arguing from a minority position.

Your personal preference to game on a PC has nothing to do with PS3 having more games not on 360 or vise versa for a particular year. For the sake of a rivalry, tunnel vision and excluding all others comes with the comparison. In the end, it isn't about what you can play, its about what the console can play.

Your stance is far from universal, and neither is mine, so its better to just go unbiased and just do a 1 vs 1 with no outside factors. What you make of the end list is up to you.

Worst case from your position: Xbox 1 gets more games not on PS4 for holiday 2013. Would you A. defend this outright out of a sense of honour for your camp, or would you B. write it off because you can just play some X1 games on Windows 8 if you so choose to? A 1 vs 1 list is just that, a very closed off comparison. Any otuside factors don't mean anything, except how you choose to interpret the games on each one.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

papamudd on 17 July 2013

I just checked both official X1 and PS4 websites and X1 has 25 games listed while PS4 has 31 games listed...

I'll throw up a comparison later, but I think some are listed on one and not the other when they should be on both. Also it looked like PS4 had a lot of indie titles listed.



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

Stinky on 17 July 2013
Eddie_Raja said:
Minecraft, among others like it = Multiplats, not on PS.

A Xbox gamer would however, treat it like an actual exclusive

Choosing to play minecraft on anything but PC/Mac/Linux is a complete joke.  It has so many more features on PC it is pathetic.  It would be like if BF3 on console only had half the maps, no DLC, and 12 Player online with no air vehicles.


But it does have splitscreen.



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Stinky on 17 July 2013

Just take a look at the sales charts on this very site to see how much the public cares about exclusives.



Stinky on 17 July 2013
Eddie_Raja said:
Serious question:  Do you seriously think you can't play PC games on a couch with a controller?

I would never move my PC to the TV. It's in a different room for starters. And I have a perfectly good console plugged into the TV already.



bigd615 on 17 July 2013

Lafiel said:

¬_¬ or, you know, people could actually look at their own situation and decides what's best _for them_


Because people have to like one system, then make everyone else see that the other system sucks. I thought everyone knew that. 

But to actually stay on topic with what people are talking about (or were, I honestly couldn't bear reading past page 2.)  If someone plays games on PC often they might not consider The Witcher 2 or LFD 1/2 or Alan Wake etc being on Xbox important to them. But if they don't have a PC capable of playing them or don't enjoy playing on PC as much, then if they want those games then they'd have to have an Xbox. 

Oh dang, that's 2 different situations with 2 different results, both being very reasonable. I guess you might've known what you were talking about after all ;)



DevilRising on 17 July 2013

Multiplat titles are important, and people who act like they're not are dumb.

HOWEVER, the argument can certainly be made the exclusives are THE reason to choose one platform or another. Exclusives are what brings people to the table, usually.



Egann on 17 July 2013

The master list of everything to consider when buying a console (in no particular order)

 

  • Price
  • Hardware specs
  • Ergonomics
  • Design perks or functionality
  • Titles presently available for it
  • Titles announced for it which aren't released yet
  • The online ecosystem the manufacturer has built for it
  • Your ability to borrow games from friends with the same system
  • exclusives
I might have missed a couple, but you get the point. Exclusives are a small part of a lot of variables to consider when getting a console. They tend to be awesome games, but it is foolish to ignore the rest and focus on the exclusives.