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Eddie_Raja said:
J_Allard said:

Not everyone has a computer, has a gaming computer, or enjoys gaming on a computer. Game has sold over 7,000,000 copies on 360. So clearly people wanna play it on this platform that people in this thread are saying they shouldn't want to play it on.

Minecraft runs fine on even the weaker intel integrated graphics, and it's only real requirement is having a decent amount of ram (More than 2 GB).  So do you not have a PC/Mac/Linux-Box?  Do you know anyone (Above the age of 12) who doesn't?

Doesn't change the amount 360 sold......and that in the end, when doing a rivalry comparison, its something its rival can't play



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Soonerman said:
Snaps to the OP. With us moving into an era where people are using more and more tablets and laptops becoming the common just shows that not everyone has a beastly PC to play those games. I have 2 laptops and I can't even play Alan Wake which I bought through Steam in its sale. I also like the comfort of a couch which is somthing a PC set up will never offer. So games that come out for either Sony or MS consoles and also for PC should stay away from the conversation.

Serious question:  Do you seriously think you can't play PC games on a couch with a controller?



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Eddie_Raja said:
J_Allard said:
Eddie_Raja said:
Minecraft, among others like it = Multiplats, not on PS.

A Xbox gamer would however, treat it like an actual exclusive

Choosing to play minecraft on anything but PC/Mac/Linux is a complete joke.  It has so many more features on PC it is pathetic.  It would be like if BF3 on console only had half the maps, no DLC, and 12 Player online with no air vehicles.

Not everyone has a computer, has a gaming computer, or enjoys gaming on a computer. Game has sold over 7,000,000 copies on 360. So clearly people wanna play it on this platform that people in this thread are saying they shouldn't want to play it on.

Minecraft runs fine on even the weaker intel integrated graphics, and it's only real requirement is having a decent amount of ram (More than 2 GB).  So do you not have a PC/Mac/Linux-Box?  Do you know anyone (Above the age of 12) who doesn't?

Gaming computer does not solely mean a computer with adequate hardware. For example my brother simply does not allow his kids to game on the computer. Thus, they have a computer, but they do not have a gaming computer. So yes, I know plenty of people who either don't have gaming computers, or don't like gaming on the computer in general. You're trying to tell us the market is very small and niche and yet again, 7,000,000+ sold. The demand is there.



J_Allard said:
Eddie_Raja said:

Minecraft runs fine on even the weaker intel integrated graphics, and it's only real requirement is having a decent amount of ram (More than 2 GB).  So do you not have a PC/Mac/Linux-Box?  Do you know anyone (Above the age of 12) who doesn't?

Gaming computer does not solely mean a computer with adequate hardware. For example my brother simply does not allow his kids to game on the computer. Thus, they have a computer, but they do not have a gaming computer. So yes, I know plenty of people who either don't have gaming computers, or don't like gaming on the computer in general. You're trying to tell us the market is very small and niche and yet again, 7,000,000+ sold. The demand is there.

He said people older than 12.

Read more carefully.



sales2099 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Chris Hu said:
radiantshadow92 said:
u can spin it any way u want the ps3 still has a more diverse and longer list of exclusives then the 360 AND its not stopping anytime soon. Both have a great list of games and it comes to taste but at the end of the day the 360 isnt getting any more exclusives.


Fable Anniversary would like to say hello.  Also even if that where true there are still tons of XBLA exclusives that will be released before the 360 stops being produced.


fable anniversary lol...

Why?

Okami HD for PS3 counts. SOTC for PS3 counts. So does Halo CEA. They are remade or tweaked for the current gen.

u cant compare fable anniversary to gt6, last guardian, and ffxiv and im forgetting a few...my point is that while both system overall have an amazing lineup but the difference in the ninty/ms and sony is the continued support. its something sony is leagues ahead in. 



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If someone is asking me about consoles and exclusives. The first thing i ask them is if they have a pc and if so what are the specs.

Once i know this then i can give them the relevant information. One of my biggest gripes with the 360 has always been that i have a gaming PC. My answer is always the same, if you have a pc capable of playing modern games, then a 360 is a waste of money in general.

Thats why the word console exclusive is used.
I do agree with you that a game being PC/360 doesn't make it less special. Its also a negative against the PS3 to 360. The fact however still remains, i can play it on my PC. Other people dont use PC's to play games so naturally they will get it for the 360.



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After reading this thread I am really surprised people are so confused by this concept. I thought the OP and sales did a pretty good job explaining the situation. In a 1 vs 1 comparison, if one of the consoles doesnt have a specific game/feature, it is a +1 for the console that does. You cant disregard a console for being able to play a game because "that thing over there thats not in the comparison" has it as well.

Most people that buy PCs don't consider if it will play games as a factor in buying it unless that's what they want to do with it, because they probably don't care to play games on them. The ones that have a PC as a viable gaming option purchased it for that reason, but you can't use that as a blanket argument for everyone with a PC. People buy consoles because it is a simple and dedicated way to play games. And in most cases PC isn't an option for them.



Vetteman94 said:
After reading this thread I am really surprised people are so confused by this concept. I thought the OP and sales did a pretty good job explaining the situation. In a 1 vs 1 comparison, if one of the consoles doesnt have a specific game/feature, it is a +1 for the console that does. You cant disregard a console for being able to play a game because "that thing over there thats not in the comparison" has it as well.

Most people that buy PCs don't consider if it will play games as a factor in buying it unless that's what they want to do with it, because they probably don't care to play games on them. The ones that have a PC as a viable gaming option purchased it for that reason, but you can't use that as a blanket argument for everyone with a PC. People buy consoles because it is a simple and dedicated way to play games. And in most cases PC isn't an option for them.

Your argument (along with Sales2099 and the OP) falls on deaf ears because it is utterly fallacious to suggest that a majority of gamers don't have a capable PC.



I agree with the point of the OP. These library comparisons are about the value of the console's library. Thing is, value is going to be measured differently by different people. It's inherently subjective. For PC gamers, 360/PC multiplats aren't going to increase the value of the 360. But for non-PC gamers, any 360 games not available for the PS3 would.

I believe most gamers fall into the latter. Hardcore, internet gamers may say they use their PC to play 360/PC multiplats (which may very well be true), but the large number of people do not. Most gamers do their serious gaming on dedicated gaming platforms. So for the majority, a game on the 360 not available on the PS3 would be as valuable as a true exclusive, since the 360 would be the only way to enjoy the title in a way that they want. Therefore, for these people, such a title shouldn't be disregarded as if they hold no value.

If you're discussing with someone who explicitly asserts that they do or don't have a gaming PC, then you can adjust the discussion accordingly. But when discussing the console's value on internet forums, I believe 360/PC multiplats should be listed as valuable by default if trying to be as objective as possible. Why? Because there is only way to be as objective as possible over an issue so inherently subjective. And that's to go with the majority (360/PC games are valuable), since you could say the discussion concerns the value of the console's library on the global market rather than personal opinion. It's okay to argue personal opinion, but you can't really argue personal opinion; its just, "I disagree. Good day sir. " followed by a tipping of the hat.

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dsgrue3 said:
J_Allard said:
Eddie_Raja said:

Minecraft runs fine on even the weaker intel integrated graphics, and it's only real requirement is having a decent amount of ram (More than 2 GB).  So do you not have a PC/Mac/Linux-Box?  Do you know anyone (Above the age of 12) who doesn't?

Gaming computer does not solely mean a computer with adequate hardware. For example my brother simply does not allow his kids to game on the computer. Thus, they have a computer, but they do not have a gaming computer. So yes, I know plenty of people who either don't have gaming computers, or don't like gaming on the computer in general. You're trying to tell us the market is very small and niche and yet again, 7,000,000+ sold. The demand is there.

He said people older than 12.

Read more carefully.

My brothers kids are 17, 13, and 6. I might be wrong, but I think 2 of those are higher than 12. Help my math out a little bit here, please.

Furthermore that was just one example. And it's being applied to a game that is not very demanding. What about Witcher 2? It takes a pretty good PC just to run that game moderately well. And these scenarios you guys are grasping on, only apply to people who do have PC's capable of gaming and do enjoy doing so on them. There are tons and tons of people who, as I said, either don't have a PC, or prefer not to game on a PC.

You can continue to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend as if the number is insignificant, logic and common sense tells the rest of us it's not. Otherwise Sony and MS would not bother getting these games.