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Platform Exclusives vs Console Exclusives.

The latter are bound to end up on both eventually. The Witcher 3 is coming to both PS4 and XB1. Dead Rising will most likely go multi as well once the XB1 game flops. Titanfall will come to PS4 eventually....etc...etc.

I prefer platform exclusives. The ones that stay exclusive such as 1st party titles.



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VGKing said:
Platform Exclusives vs Console Exclusives.

The latter are bound to end up on both eventually. The Witcher 3 is coming to both PS4 and XB1. Dead Rising will most likely go multi as well once the XB1 game flops. Titanfall will come to PS4 eventually....etc...etc.

I prefer platform exclusives. The ones that stay exclusive such as 1st party titles.


This, honestly.

Also, just to note to those in this thread who are essentially stating us Playstation gamers can't use PC in our argument... Lets put it this way... I personally own a gaming PC, what incentive do I have to get an Xbox One when most of the games will be coming to the PC as well, and can play them on the rig I already own? To me it logically makes more sense to buy a PS4, since most of the PS4's exlusives are first party games that won't be coming to PC. With the notable exception of Sony's SOE games. Sure, not everyone have a PC capable of playing new PC games, but for those of us that do, we are justified in using this argument all day long as it's one of the key reasons I wont be purchasing an Xbox One in the foreseeable future. 



sales2099 said:
Aldro said:
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I don't know what you're doing here then because the Thread title is "issue with the 'exclusives' argument".

If anyone asks me if Ico & SOTC are exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.
If anyone asks me if DC Universe is an exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.
If anyone asks me if MGS1 is an exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.

 

That's just my stance on it. I have a PS2, PS3, PC and I can play every single game that the "360 has and the PS3 does not". How some call that a 360 exclusive is beyond me as I ..very obviously don't need a 360.

The OP specifically says the point is to move away from just exclusives, because it filters out some really great titles that the rival platform doesn't have.

I know its hard, but try to stop living by that word.

Is SOTC on PS3 but not 360? Yes. Is DC Universe on PS3 but not 360? Yes. If its a PS3 title and 360 doesn't have it, count it. Its a differentiating feature. Mention it. Nevermind exclusivity.

so in short..

..no matter what set of stupid rules you decide to use: ps3 >> 360.  whether you want to compare true exclusives or just consolve exclusives there simply is no comparing the two.  ps3 has a massive amount of additional support.

hmm,. maybe if we change the rules yet again to included timed exclusives...   you know, because 360 has bioshock and ps3 doesn't didn't!



dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:
So you have to forget you have a PC if you want to have a discussion with Sales2099 now.

Yep, not doing that. Even my laptop from 2006 runs Minecraft.

But your PS3 cant'.

It isn't a hard concept. If there is a Xbox vs PS comparison, compare everything, not just exclusives, thats on one and not the other. This would also apply to PS multiplats that are PS3/PC and PS3/Vita. Count everything that one has and the other doesn't. No filtering and no outside platforms.Just 1 vs 1.

Like Ethomaz tried to explain to you already, everyone (nearly) has a PC. 

Thus when forming a comparison of each respective console's list of games, one should exclude PC games because that isn't adding any value to the product unless you don't have a PC.

It isn't universal that we use them, nor it is that we choose the PC version.

But that is beside the point. This isn't about your personal vdieo game platforms of choice. If you compare one console vs another, you keep it restricted to those 2 consoles, nothing more. This includes everything from exclusives to mutliplats: whatever each one cna do what the other can't. Your gaming preferences outside these 2 have no place in such a comparison.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
oniyide said:
sales2099 said:
oniyide said:
it seems certain people want to leave out PC as a platform and lets be real here it is a platform to make the 360 look better. That is NOT how it works in the real world. multiplat=game released on mulitiple formats. 360/PC multiple formats

Funny since most people use PC to make PS look better. These multiplats are on Xbox, and Xbox gamers only refer to the Xbox version, not the PC version. Its the PS gamer who uses the PC version to complement PS exclusives.

This isn't even about comparing exclusives, this is about going above that and comparing games on one and not the other, in a true Xbox vs PS comparison.

xbox version? its the same damn game. some xbox gamers want to ignore the PC cause they know it will make the console look less favorabe, but the PC exists so deal with it. 

xbox vs ps3? why stop their, what happened to Wii? Wii U? PC? why exclude those? Dont answer i know why.

Clearly PS fans have no idea there is a PS vs Xbox rivalry.......sigh.

Others exist sure, but.....ya, it ain't part of the rivarly. lol this aint difficult.

"I still hold that in the real world thats not how it works its not PS3vs.360, its PS3vs360vsWiivs.WiiUvs.PC etc"

I agree, but right now we are on the internetz. And internet shows a clear Xbox vs PS rivalry that Nintendo and PC dont seem to be apart of.

No im an adult and i dont pay attention to such rivalries, its sad that other grown ass men? engage in them though/

whether we are in the internet, store, damn space. I am still an adult with common sense and i will use that common sense, now if you choose not to use common sense because you are anonymous on the internet and want to prove something that you kinda cant then by all means, do that. I will say good day to you sir.



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Torillian said:
sales2099 said:
Torillian said:


That's an interesting point.  What's your thought on PS2 and PS1 classics on the PS3, Sales?  Do you count those in your comparison of the two platforms?

In a PS3 vs 360 debate, one would count PS3 and 360 games. Xbox origionals and PS1 classics are not 360 and PS3 titles. They are available on the console, but not techically a current gen game.

Now older gen games that get a remastered PS3 edition like GOW, Okami, SOTC. They have a PS3 retail cover and thus made the jump to a PS3 title, which then counts. Same goes for Halo CEA and the upcoming Fable 1 remake, which get updated for the current gen and get 360 covers.

Just simply keep it strictly to 360 games not on PS3 and PS3 games not on 360. Not Xbox vs PS3, no bringing in outside platforms like Wii and especially PC. Just simply, two specific consoles, and their differentiating games from the current gen.

But isn't the fact that they have to be titles made this generation another arbitrary rule that you put in there for the betterment of the 360's position in these list wars just like you are accusing PS fans of "using PC to make their list better"?  I mean you can argue that current generation games are in general better quality than last generation, but I see no real reason to not include these games if they are a difference between the 360 and the PS3.

I don't believe sticking to the current gen is arbitrary. Its just a way to keep things simple and current at the same time, while keeping it 1 vs 1 console.

But doing that is a whole other matter. Just the idea of lisiting games on one and not the other is problematic enough as we can see.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

ethomaz said:

sales2099 said:

Its not about your personal gaming preferences. Its about what one can do and the other can't, on their own individual terms. Disregarding all else despite their existence. Its a 1 vs 1 rivalry, keep it that way, despite your access to a gaming PC.

I don't count Warframe or Outlast like a PS4 exclusive like I didn't count Minecraft, The Witcher and others like a 360 exclusive.

Stop saying that word. Its about games on one and not the other, not some arbitrary filtering.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

kitler53 said:
sales2099 said:
Aldro said:
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I don't know what you're doing here then because the Thread title is "issue with the 'exclusives' argument".

If anyone asks me if Ico & SOTC are exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.
If anyone asks me if DC Universe is an exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.
If anyone asks me if MGS1 is an exclusive to the PS3, I will say no.

 

That's just my stance on it. I have a PS2, PS3, PC and I can play every single game that the "360 has and the PS3 does not". How some call that a 360 exclusive is beyond me as I ..very obviously don't need a 360.

The OP specifically says the point is to move away from just exclusives, because it filters out some really great titles that the rival platform doesn't have.

I know its hard, but try to stop living by that word.

Is SOTC on PS3 but not 360? Yes. Is DC Universe on PS3 but not 360? Yes. If its a PS3 title and 360 doesn't have it, count it. Its a differentiating feature. Mention it. Nevermind exclusivity.

so in short..

..no matter what set of stupid rules you decide to use: ps3 >> 360.  whether you want to compare true exclusives or just consolve exclusives there simply is no comparing the two.  ps3 has a massive amount of additional support.

hmm,. maybe if we change the rules yet again to included timed exclusives...   you know, because 360 has bioshock and ps3 doesn't didn't!


"stupid"....sigh.  Its actually very progressive. It paints a clear picture on what one can do and one cant. PS has multiplats too that arent on Xbox. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

oniyide said:
sales2099 said:

Clearly PS fans have no idea there is a PS vs Xbox rivalry.......sigh.

Others exist sure, but.....ya, it ain't part of the rivarly. lol this aint difficult.

"I still hold that in the real world thats not how it works its not PS3vs.360, its PS3vs360vsWiivs.WiiUvs.PC etc"

I agree, but right now we are on the internetz. And internet shows a clear Xbox vs PS rivalry that Nintendo and PC dont seem to be apart of.

No im an adult and i dont pay attention to such rivalries, its sad that other grown ass men? engage in them though/

whether we are in the internet, store, damn space. I am still an adult with common sense and i will use that common sense, now if you choose not to use common sense because you are anonymous on the internet and want to prove something that you kinda cant then by all means, do that. I will say good day to you sir.

There is nothing wrong with doing a 1 vs 1 comparison, in anything.I can do a Honda vs Hyundai comparison and therefore disregard all other manufacturers. I can compare 2 sports teams, 2 cell phone manufacturers, etc.

These things can be done. Restricted comparisons have been done for longer then you have been alive. There is nothing wrong with limiting a comparison.

You live by your mantra, but if you enter a thread that is about Xbox vs PS, you better damn play by the threads rules



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:

I don't believe sticking to the current gen is arbitrary. Its just a way to keep things simple and current at the same time, while keeping it 1 vs 1 console.

But doing that is a whole other matter. Just the idea of lisiting games on one and not the other is problematic enough as we can see.


I would assume some would say that doing exclusive vs. exclusive would be a way to keep things simple as well.  If all you want to do is look at the unique features of the two consoles then I don't think you can disregard older games available on the platform.

Well you can totally list games that are on one and not the other, but what's the difference between you saying "well those games aren't from this generation" as opposed to "well thoes games are on PC"  when all you want to do is compare the platform "one on one" as you say?



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