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Would the USA have been better off without the Revolution?

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From the Washington Post

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The American Revolution was a flop

Paul Pirie, a former historian, is a freelance writer in Ontario.

The easiest way of assessing whether the United States would have been better off without its revolution is to look at those English-speaking countries that rejected the American Revolution and retained the monarchy, particularly Canada, which experienced an influx of American refugees after the British defeat. The U.S. performance should also be assessed against the ideals the new country set for itself — namely, advancing life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

The new republic started advancing life and liberty by keeping a substantial part of its population enslaved. (This, at least, proves the frequent British put-down that Americans don’t have a sense of irony.) By contrast, in British-controlled Canada, the abolition of slavery began almost 20 years before the War of 1812, sometimes called America’s “Second Revolution.” A good number of free blacks fought with the British against the United States in that conflict, even participating in the burning of Washington. And if, as some scholars argue, the Civil War was the unfinished business of the American Revolution, then Americans — like the Russians — paid a very high human cost for their revolutions.

On to liberty. Data from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics show that more than 2 million people were incarcerated in 2011; that includes federal, state and local prisoners, as well as those awaiting trial. To put that total into perspective, the International Centre for Prison Studies ranks the United States ranks first in the world in the number of prisoners per 100,000 residents. That’s well ahead of Canada (which ranks 136th) and even Russia. The U.S. incarceration rate for African American men, which is about six times higher than that of white men, according to 2010 data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, points to yet moreunfinished business.

As for the pursuit of happiness, Americans are free to do just that — provided that they aren’t rotting in jail. But are they likely to find it? Most Americans work longer hours and have fewer paid vacations and benefits — including health care — than their counterparts in most advanced countries. Consider also that in the CIA World Factbook, the United States ranks 51st in life expectancy at birth. Working oneself into an early grave does not do much for one’s happiness quotient. This year the United States tied for 14th in “life satisfaction” on an annual quality-of-life study by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. That puts the United States behind Canada (eighth) and Australia (12th). A report co-authored last year by the economist Jeffrey Sachs ranked the United States 10th in the world for happiness — again behind Canada and Australia. The Sachs study found that the United States has made “striking economic and technological progress over the past half century without gains in the self-reported happiness of the citizenry. Instead, uncertainties and anxieties are high, social and economic inequalities have widened considerably, social trust is in decline, and confidence in government is at an all-time low.”

Ouch.

Read the rest of the article at the Washington Post

I think this author seems to forget the impact the revolution had in other countries.



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Reminds me of my old 4th of July thread from last year...


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=145133



The revolution is not to blame for america's prison population, economic disparity, or civil equality. The revolution granted the establishment of constitutional checks, by which the consent of the community, or of a body of some sort, supposed to represent its interests, was made a necessary condition to some of the more important acts of the governing power.. We obtained a recognition of certain immunities, called political liberties or rights, which it was to be regarded as a breach of duty in the ruler to infringe, and which, if he did infringe, specific resistance, or general rebellion, was held to be justifiable.


Best of all the revolution freed us from the shackles of the Bank of England. It wasn't until 100 years ago, with The creation of a private National Bank (the fed) that our liberty and economy became forfeit. If americans had the wisdom of their forefathers the bank would not have defeated us.


As andrew jackson said; "Kill The BANK!"



I think the US and its allies are better off, but its enemies are probably worse off.



While this does make an interesting point in that African-Americans would have been much better off if the US colonies had remained British and abolished slavery when the rest of the British empire did (about 80 years prior to the US Civil War). I can see how that relates to incarceration and such but (without having taken the time to study it in detail) I think this guy is really stretching that idea overly far when it gets into other areas such as happiness and current economic conditions.



 

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tl;dr version?