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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 GPU Benchmarks Leak: Up To 20% Faster Than RTX 3060 But Slower Than 3060 Ti

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-benchmarks-leak-20-percent-faster-than-rtx-3060-slower-than-3060-ti/

If these results are accurate, it does show why Radeon was so quick to discount the price of the 7600 before launch. If that was the same price as the 4060 while being slower in Raster and lacking Nvidia features, it would have been a slaughter. Hell I'd argue that even a $30 discount isn't enough. But both of these still feels overpriced, just a lot less so compared to the 4060 Ti.

if these results are as accurate as those for the 4060Ti, then the RX 7600 should actually be rather comfortably ahead of the 4060. The 7600 is about 15% ahead of the 3060, and the 4060 looks like it will be within 5% of it's predecessor in real-life benchmarks, just like the 4060Ti did to the 3060Ti.

Since those GPUs are too weak for Raytracing anyway, the only real advantages of the 4060 over the 7600 are DLSS being higher quality than FSR and the lower power draw.

Well you can't cherry pick a part of the result and mix and match like that lol. Cause that's just mental gymnastics at that point. Either it's all accurate or it's not accurate at all.



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

if these results are as accurate as those for the 4060Ti, then the RX 7600 should actually be rather comfortably ahead of the 4060. The 7600 is about 15% ahead of the 3060, and the 4060 looks like it will be within 5% of it's predecessor in real-life benchmarks, just like the 4060Ti did to the 3060Ti.

Since those GPUs are too weak for Raytracing anyway, the only real advantages of the 4060 over the 7600 are DLSS being higher quality than FSR and the lower power draw.

Well you can't cherry pick a part of the result and mix and match like that lol. Cause that's just mental gymnastics at that point. Either it's all accurate or it's not accurate at all.

I wasn't cherry-picking, I was extrapolating from the 4060Ti compared to the 3060Ti. That one has a similar boost in Geekbench but real-life benchmarks showed the 4060Ti within 5% of it's predecessor, so I'm fully expecting the same for the 4060 compared to the 3060.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well you can't cherry pick a part of the result and mix and match like that lol. Cause that's just mental gymnastics at that point. Either it's all accurate or it's not accurate at all.

I wasn't cherry-picking, I was extrapolating from the 4060Ti compared to the 3060Ti. That one has a similar boost in Geekbench but real-life benchmarks showed the 4060Ti within 5% of it's predecessor, so I'm fully expecting the same for the 4060 compared to the 3060.

Well you aren't taking into account architectural differences and etc that might come into play with newer GPUs. But even if we play that game, you are underselling the 4060 Ti.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600/31.html

You can see that while the 7600 is about 16-17% ahead of the 3060, the 4060 Ti is about 13% ahead of the 3060 Ti. Not sure where you got the "within 5%" from. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that 4060 can't be slower than a 7600 or even a 3060 since the difference in core count vs 4060 Ti is huge but I don't think selling in your way makes sense.

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Captain_Yuri said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I wasn't cherry-picking, I was extrapolating from the 4060Ti compared to the 3060Ti. That one has a similar boost in Geekbench but real-life benchmarks showed the 4060Ti within 5% of it's predecessor, so I'm fully expecting the same for the 4060 compared to the 3060.

Well you aren't taking into account architectural differences and etc that might come into play with newer GPUs. But even if we play that game, you are underselling the 4060 Ti.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600/31.html

You can see that while the 7600 is about 16-17% ahead of the 3060, the 4060 Ti is about 13% ahead of the 3060 Ti. Not sure where you got the "within 5%" from. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that 4060 can't be slower than a 7600 or even a 3060 since the difference in core count vs 4060 Ti is huge but I don't think selling in your way makes sense.

Gamers Nexus, Hardware unboxed, PCGH... Techpowerup's 13% uplift look more like an outlier to me than the general rule.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well you aren't taking into account architectural differences and etc that might come into play with newer GPUs. But even if we play that game, you are underselling the 4060 Ti.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600/31.html

You can see that while the 7600 is about 16-17% ahead of the 3060, the 4060 Ti is about 13% ahead of the 3060 Ti. Not sure where you got the "within 5%" from. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that 4060 can't be slower than a 7600 or even a 3060 since the difference in core count vs 4060 Ti is huge but I don't think selling in your way makes sense.

Gamers Nexus, Hardware unboxed, PCGH... Techpowerup's 13% uplift look more like an outlier to me than the general rule.

Lol maybe you should get your eyes checked.

From your own PCGH link, 4060 Ti = 13% faster than the 3060 Ti. Hardware Unboxed, 9% faster than 3060 Ti. As for gamers nexus, they don't do a relative performance and I am not gonna rewatch the entire video but even skimming through some of their 1080p benchmarks, it shows the 4060 Ti generally above 5%.

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The Thursday news:

SALES /PLAYER COUNT & DEALS

This week, the Epic Store gives away two games:

Next week, they'll be giving away The Dungeon of Naheulbeuk

Steam has two new deals:

Fanatical has two new deals:

SOFTWARE & DRIVERS

INTEL Arc & Iris Graphics 31.0.101.4502
https://videocardz.com/driver/intel-arc-iris-graphics-31-0-101-4502
Fixed Issues
Intel® Arc™ Graphics Products:

  • iTunes may experience an application crash during launch
  • A blank screen or error may be observed in certain applications when embedding content using WebView2

Unreal Engine 5.2 Tropical Rainforest Tech Demo Released
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/unreal-engine-5-2-tropical-rainforest-tech-demo-released/
MAWI United has released an amazing next-gen tech demo for Unreal Engine 5.2 that you can download right now. According to the team, this demo features over 140 custom scanned trees and plants. All assets are highres Nanite meshes with 8K textures (though the demo has limited this to 4K).

MODS, EMULATORS & FAN PROJECTS

Assassin’s Creed Unity Mod fixes cloth physics, adds wind effects
https://www.dsogaming.com/mods/assassins-creed-unity-mod-fixes-cloth-physics-adds-wind-effects/
Earlier this month, we shared a mod for Assassin’s Creed Unity that fixed some of its NPCs LOD issues. And today, we are presenting you with another mod that adds some cool wind effects and attempts to fix the cloth physics when gaming with framerates higher than 60fps.
In order to showcase these improved cloth physics, modder ‘Halzoid’ released the following comparison video. Pay close attention to the cloth physics as this is the only thing that this mod fixes.
>> The video is almost 4 minutes long.

GAMING NEWS

Star Ocean: The Second Story gets a 2.5D Remake, coming to PC on November 2nd
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/star-ocean-the-second-story-gets-a-2-5d-remake-coming-to-pc-on-november-2nd/
Square Enix has just announced a 2.5D remake for Star Ocean: The Second Story, called STAR OCEAN THE SECOND STORY R. STAR OCEAN THE SECOND STORY R will be released on PC on November 2nd, and below you can find its debut trailer.

PC requirements for Exoprimal and Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/pc-requirements-for-exoprimal-and-like-a-dragon-gaiden-the-man-who-erased-his-name/
Capcom and SEGA have revealed the PC system requirements for Exoprimal and Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name, respectively.
Now as with most of SEGA’s PC releases, Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name will be using the Denuvo anti-tamper tech. However, Capcom’s Exoprimal will not be using it (or at least that’s what its Steam page hints at).

Fate/Samurai Remnant releases on PC on September 29th, gets official PC requirements
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/fate-samurai-remnant-releases-on-pc-on-september-29th-gets-official-pc-requirements/
KOEI Tecmo has announced that its stylized action RPG, Fate/Samurai Remnant, will release on PC on September 29th. In order to celebrate this announcement, the company has shared a gameplay trailer, and revealed the game’s official PC system requirements.

METAL GEAR SOLID Master Collection Vol.1 won’t support keyboard & mouse on PC
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/metal-gear-solid-master-collection-vol-1-wont-support-keyboard-mouse-on-pc/
Yesterday, Konami announced that Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection Vol. 1 will release on PC on October 24th. However, it appears that this collection requires a controller, and it won’t officially support keyboard and mouse.



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Thursday news, part two:

They actually did it: EVE Online becomes the first videogame with Microsoft Excel integration
https://www.pcgamer.com/they-actually-did-it-eve-online-becomes-the-first-videogame-with-microsoft-excel-integration/
Those lunatics in Reykjavik have only gone and done it. EVE Online developer CCP games has always had an element of self-knowledge about it, and a unique relationship with its community, who love and loathe EVE with a life-overtaking ardour. One of the long-running gags about the game is that it's really just "spreadsheets in space" and, after announcing the collaboration a while ago, EVE Online has, 20 years after release, become the first videogame to seamlessly integrate Microsoft Excel, the world's favourite spreadsheet software.

Broken Sword designer retires after 30 years in the industry, laments the 'threat of AI' to the next generation of creators
https://www.pcgamer.com/broken-sword-designer-retires-after-30-years-in-the-industry-laments-the-threat-of-ai-to-the-next-generation-of-creators/
On June 20, Steve Ince announced his retirement on LinkedIn after over 30 years of working in the gaming industry. Ince has enjoyed an impressive career and was a big part of the Broken Sword series, classic point-and-click adventure games that date back to 1996 with Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars (which received a Director's Cut in 2010). He's built up an impressive portfolio during his long career—production, writing, and even creating art for games like Beneath a Steel Sky, as well as credits in The Witcher and Resident Evil: Village.

Cyberpunk 2077’s massive credits roll gets even bigger with the addition of more than 1,600 voice actors
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077s-massive-credits-roll-gets-even-bigger-with-the-addition-of-more-than-1600-voice-actors/
Cyberpunk 2077's credit roll is already absurdly long, but it's about to get even longer. Senior Localization Project Manager Alexander Radkevich said on Twitter that the game’s latest update adds the names of every voice actor who performed in the game, in every language—and holy cow, it's an awful lot of people.

Vampire Survivors is finally getting couch co-op multiplayer for up to 4 players
https://www.pcgamer.com/vampire-survivors-is-finally-getting-couch-co-op-multiplayer-for-up-to-4-players/
There are still no vampires coming to Vampire Survivors, but what is coming on August 17 is a new couch co-op mode that will let up to four people jump in to do battle with the game's multitudinous enemies—and, just a little bit, with each other.

Iron Lung dev weirded-out by their game being linked to the Titanic sub story and sales spiking: 'This feels so wrong'
https://www.pcgamer.com/iron-lung-dev-weirded-out-by-their-game-being-linked-to-the-titanic-sub-story-and-sales-spiking-this-feels-so-wrong/
Global news this week has been fixated on the missing Titan submersible, with rescue teams racing against time to find a vessel containing five people that has gone missing during a tourist dive to the wreck of the Titanic. (...)
One notable element in the reaction on social media has been frequent comparisons to a breakout indie hit from 2022, Iron Lung, to the extent it became a Twitter trend. In this game you play the sole crewmember of the titular craft, navigating an alien seafloor with analogue instruments and a black-and-white camera on the sub's exterior, while something stirs outside. The game sets out to horrify and, helped enormously by the confines and limitations of the sub itself, is a terrifying experience.

Cities: Skylines 2's cool new road tools are already making me think my city won't be a traffic-filled hellscape
https://www.pcgamer.com/cities-skylines-2s-cool-new-road-tools-are-already-making-me-think-my-city-wont-be-a-traffic-filled-hellscape/
I love building cities in Cities: Skylines, but loving something doesn't mean you're good at it. And when it comes to the cities I've built over the years, all of them have one thing in common: they are an utter traffic nightmare.
(...)
But the new Cities: Skylines 2 road tools trailer (above) has given me hope. There are so many neat new tools for building and managing roads and traffic that I'm starting to think maybe even the world's worst city planner (me) can manage to not completely bungle things when it comes to roads.

The Metal Gear Solid collection is including the non-canon game Kojima hates
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-metal-gear-solid-collection-is-including-the-non-canon-game-kojima-hates/
Konami recently announced the Metal Gear Solid: Master Collection Vol. 1, headlined by remastered versions of the first three games in the Metal Gear Solid series. Some more details have now emerged about what's going to be in the package and, well, colour me surprised: Konami has made the extremely interesting choice to include the NES game Metal Gear 2: Snake's Revenge.

Bungie says it will 'compensate and credit' artist whose work was 'mistakenly' used in this week's major Destiny 2 cutscene
https://www.pcgamer.com/bungie-says-it-will-compensate-and-credit-artist-whose-work-was-mistakenly-used-in-this-weeks-major-destiny-2-cutscene/
Earlier this week, as part of the ongoing Season of the Deep, Destiny 2 released a cutscene that casually pulled back the curtain on some of the deepest mysteries in its nine-year-long history. (...)
While some players are thrilled to have finally received answers, others are puzzled as to why such a major story beat has been delivered in a seasonal update, which will be removed when the next expansion, The Final Shape, launches next year. And over on Twitter, another controversy emerged. Accusations of plagiarism surfaced when Julian Faylona—professionally known as ELEMENTJ21 designs—made a Twitter thread highlighting the similarities between a piece of fanart they made two years ago and a specific image found within the cutscene.

South Korea leaks the existence of Quake 2 Remastered a mere 2 years after it leaked the existence of Quake 1 Remastered
https://www.pcgamer.com/south-korea-leaks-the-existence-of-quake-2-remastered-a-mere-2-years-after-it-leaked-the-existence-of-quake-1-remastered/
The South Korean Game Rating and Administration Committee (GRAC) has done it again, folks. With just under two months to go until this year's QuakeCon event, the agency has gone and rated Quake 2 Remastered (via Gematsu), which we can probably assume does for the second game in the series what Quake Remastered did for the first.

Solid Snake says he's not worried about AI stealing work from voice actors: 'it'll always be soulless'
https://www.pcgamer.com/solid-snake-says-hes-not-worried-about-ai-stealing-work-from-voice-actors-itll-always-be-soulless/
Longtime Solid Snake voice actor David Hayter is a man of many talents, and has written and acted across films, games and TV since the early '90s. He's a guy who's been around these industries a while, certainly knows what goes into making the sausage, and he's not impressed with AI one bit.



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NVIDIA claims GeForce RTX 4060 is 20% faster than RTX 3060 without Frame Generation

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-claims-geforce-rtx-4060-is-20-faster-than-rtx-3060-without-frame-generation

You know it's going to be a turd when they bring up the power savings calculator

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX flagship RDNA3 GPU is now available for less than $882

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-flagship-rdna3-gpu-is-now-available-for-less-than-882

The interesting thing isn't the 7900XTX price but rather being able to snag the 7900XT for $720.

Intel officially discontinues Arc A770 16GB Limited Edition

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-discontinue-a770-limited-edition

Maybe a refresh or getting ready for Battlemage. Since Intel GPUs don't sell that much, it would make sense to discontinue it well ahead of time compared to their competitors

Well that certainly make things less exciting



                  

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Why less exciting? For the low number of planets with life, the lack of rover or the limited number of romance options?



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Yea I was hoping there would be more planets with life and some vehicles. I don't care too much about romance on western games but granted Cyberpunk and Witcher really shows what western romance can really do lol.



                  

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