Did we knew about Zen3+?

Not that I am aware of

Thanks. I was sure if I had missed the reveal somehow. I don't think it will take long to find out if it's real or not, but it wouldn't be a bad move from AMD. An extra AM4 upgrade for those that want, squeezing a bit more performance with a new node and some refinements while leaving Intel to deal with the problem of the first wave of DDR5 memory modules.

Then, once Apple has moved to 3nm, go with Zen4 and everything to try to raise the bar again.

By the way, now it's AMD that has problems with Spectre: https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-cpu-facing-spectre-like-vulnerabilities/

Yea pretty much. Zen 4 is looking like 2022 and AMD has had a new cpu every year since Ryzen so I can see them coming out with something.

It was a bit to be expected; unless Zen 4 were slated for early 2022 they would need a filler CPU, if only to appease the OEMs. An optimized Vermeer with a slight speedbump and potentially a fix for that spectre-like breach would certainly do very well in that regard.

Also, if the next APUs would come too early for Zen 4, using Zen3+ would definitely make sense here, too. Especially considering how well Zen 2 already was and any additional performance with Zen 3 will already be a very tough pill to swallow for Intel, so having some Zen 3 filler would not hurt AMD either - unless Alder lake is coming with such a huge perf/watt increase that it makes Renoir look old and weak , which I very much doubt

Oo Phoenix is a good candidate for a new laptop.

Here's something interesting regarding 6000 series and Ray Tracing from DF's weekly talks.

They discuss how the top tier 6000 series seems to perform similar to Turing in the new Cyberpunk patch when you have RT Ultra enabled. Now the interesting thing is what Alex says.

Developers have more programmability when it comes to BVH Traversal aspect on RDNA 2 cards on the consoles thanks to their low level access. While it's very use case dependent, it can certainly help with the performance if the developers can optimize for it since you can see ps5 being quite capable in Spiderman. The kicker is that on the PC side, while RDNA 2 supports it at a hardware level... Neither Direct X Ray Tracing or Vulkan Ray Tracing currently allows this. So it's something that will probably not happen on PC for a while and no one knows how much that will help.

This kinda reminds me of that whole "Mantle" situation that AMD tried to do way back when. They had issues with Direct X 11 performance but if developers specifically coded for Mantle which was AMD's low level API, they could have had quite a nice performance boost. The problem is, on the PC space, majority of the devs choose Direct X 11 as that would cover both GPUs. And since Nvidia's market share was huge, there wasn't much incentive to do so.

We will see if AMD can get Microsoft or Kronos Group to enable such programmability for their cards on the PC side anytime soon. And of course, the age old question of... Whether or not the devs will bother outside of AMD sponsored titles.

It's a real shame that Vulkan hasn't really taken advantage of the Mantle API that they got from AMD to gain some ground in the game space, because almost no one uses Vulkan anymore, they all moved to DX11/12.

And I'm not sure AMD will try to come up with something of their own this time given that they already hav etheir hands full trying to come up with a good competitor to DLSS. If it comes from MSoft or Kronos then great, but, like Yuri said, we shouldn't expect anything like that except from the occasional AMD sponsored title every now and then.

RTX Voice is being superseded by Nvidia Broadcast. Whats interesting is with 410.18 drivers it doesn't require RTX cards and Works on older cards up to Keplar (GTX 600). Which is pretty awesome.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-voice-technology-now-working-on-non-rtx-geforce-graphics-cards

Update: tried on my 1070 and latest drivers and won't install :(