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Captain_Yuri said:
Norion said:

Right I should wait for those before thinking it over. I'll try to avoid thinking about the decision much until the reviews. My monitor is the PG279Q so 1440p/144hz and I'll probably solely use it until the mid 2020's and then pick up a 4k/144hz monitor and make the 279Q a secondary monitor. The 1080 Ti will still perform well for another couple years but DLSS is so amazing it suddenly feels way more behind since even the 3060 could end up significantly outperforming it in games with that feature. Suddenly feeling a lot more behind feels a bit bad but it's nothing compared to the excitement over how amazing this leap is! The fact that 4k 100+ FPS seems to be viable now is very cool!

The one thing to be aware of is that there is potentially another solution coming from Microsoft called Direct ML. If that becomes a thing and has universal compatibility, your 1080 Ti could potentially have a solution similar to DLSS, just with a slight performance hit. But we won't know until November assuming they even announce it loll. But yea, DLSS is pretty excellent and will only get better from here.

I did not know that might help older GPU's since I assumed it was only gonna be for the new Xbox. If that does happen that'll be great for pascal owners who want to wait longer before upgrading. Something that I wonder about DLSS is its potential to become a double-edged sword for Nvidia. When it becomes advanced enough to the point that even low end cards are easily capable of 4k 100+ FPS then a lot of people could stop buying the higher end cards due to being satisfied with that. That would be incredible for consumers but I imagine Nvidia wouldn't want the sales of their higher end stuff to decline. Either way I'm really looking forward to seeing how amazing DLSS gets in 5-10 years from now.

Mummelmann said:
Norion said:
I'm currently unsure if I should get a 3080 and then upgrade my GPU again and also do a full system upgrade in 2024/2025 or do a full system upgrade in 2022/2023. I have a PC with a 1080ti and 7700k I got in 2017. It'll last for another 2-3 years perfectly fine but man DLSS sure is tempting. Which option do y'all think is best?

I think you should wait, if not for the entire gen of cards, then at least to see what an eventual 3080Ti brings to the table. I'm still sitting on my 980Ti (EVGA) and have been doing okay at 1440p up until the recent batch of demanding games (Exodus, Borderlands 3, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, etc.). Another advantage of waiting is having more games available that actually fully utilize DLSS and proper RT.

Waiting would help with that but considering Watch Dogs Legion, COD Cold War and Cyberpunk are all gonna have it by mid to late 2021 most big games coming out could already have it. Still I'll likely end up doing what you did and wait till the 1080ti starts to have trouble running stuff at a satisfactory level before upgrading which would probably be about the time the 4000 series drops. I think I'd prefer to get at least five years out of this card.



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Here come a pair of leaks/rumors that could affect your purchase decisions, even yours, Norion:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 SUPER/Ti could feature 4864 CUDA cores
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-super-ti-could-feature-4864-cuda-cores
Today Kopite7kimi, the leaker who correctly predicted RTX 30 specs weeks ahead of launch, has shared new data regarding GeForce RTX 3060 Ti/SUPER model. The graphics card would allegedly feature GA104-200 GPU with 4864 CUDA cores. That’s 1024 CUDA cores less than RTX 3070. The PG142 SKU20 would also be equipped with 8GB of GDDR6 non-X memory.

While that is interesting enough by itself to the mere mortals that roam this site for which the 3080 and 3090 are just out of reach, the following piece of the article could interest the rest of you:

The SUPER variants were not expected to debut this year, but as an Ampere Refresh in 2021 (possibly with higher-clocked GDDR6X memory). The Ti variants, on the other hand, are rumored to launch after Big Navi.

Maybe waiting would be worth it?

AMD 4th Gen Ryzen "Vermeer" Zen 3 Rumored to Include 10-core Parts
https://www.techpowerup.com/271885/amd-4th-gen-ryzen-vermeer-zen-3-rumored-to-include-10-core-parts
Yuri "1usmus" Bubliy, author of DRAM Calculator for Ryzen and the upcoming ClockTuner for Ryzen, revealed three pieces of juicy details on the upcoming 4th Gen AMD Ryzen "Vermeer" performance desktop processors. He predicts AMD turning up CPU core counts with this generation, including the introduction of new 10-core SKUs, possibly to one-up Intel in the multi-threaded performance front. Last we heard, AMD's upcoming "Zen 3" CCDs (chiplets) feature 8 CPU cores sharing a monolithic 32 MB slab of L3 cache. This should, in theory, allow AMD to create 10-core chips with two CCDs, each with 5 cores enabled.

I don't know how would AMD split its CCX to come up with that 10-core processor or even if they'll have to (if the rumors about each CCX doubling its core number from 8 to 16 are true), but their lineup would certainly benefit from it:

R5 4600 = 6-cores # R7 4700 = 8-cores # R7 4800 = 10-cores # R9 4900 = 12-cores # R7 4950 = 16-cores

Hell, they could even up the core count across the board and go with 8 => 10 => 12 => 14 => 16 cores, leaving the 4 and 6-core ones for the R3 series.



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I would be interested in a 3050ti for my SPC. It's still running on a 1050ti which is actually pretty good, even for some very light gaming at 4k. It will be barely enough to power 2x 4k displays. The 2000 series actually did not have a 2050 so I'm interested in seeing what Ampere has to offer here.



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It's true that there wasn't a 2050 series, Nvidia just had the several versions of 1650. it will be interesting if they bring RT to the lower series this time around or not.



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Ordered my new monitor. It should arrive tomorrow with my new TV.

I should probably make a list for what to check. Need some good HDR test stuff. I was actually really surprised to find out that there are actually animes in HDR. That's gonna be fun. Also can't wait to see all my pictures from Japan in HDR.

Apparently it's possible to run HDR just fine in a multi monitor setup with one monitor not able to with extended displays. Here is hoping it also somehow works with mirrored displays.

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Norion said:
I'm currently unsure if I should get a 3080 and then upgrade my GPU again and also do a full system upgrade in 2024/2025 or do a full system upgrade in 2022/2023. I have a PC with a 1080ti and 7700k I got in 2017. It'll last for another 2-3 years perfectly fine but man DLSS sure is tempting. Which option do y'all think is best?

I know some folks are having timid issues with the 3080's VRAM, but I'm honestly not that bothered, mainly because it's one gig less than my Aorus 1080ti, but it's a new memory architecture, making it more efficient with it's memory than my 1080ti, and costing the same price as when I first bought the 1080ti.

I'm in the same boat, but I feel like I'll grab the 3080 nearly next year, grab the new hw that'll pair nicely with it and then bide my time with it until the 4000 series, and if that series isn't as good of a leap as the 3000 series, then I'll simply replace my 3080 with a cheaper variant, because by the time the 4000 series comes out, the 3000 series variants should be cheaper in some areas, meaning I'm not much at a loss, and I'll still be able to roll with the new technology in next gen games. 

I'm a bit like Yuri though. I've waited this long, and I do kinda want to mess with the RT in games and other things sooner, rather than much later on.



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Hopper will be a huge upgrade but will likely be years away.

Those who are on still on Pascal (like me), going from the 10XX series the 3000 series is a massive increase to performance. If you are going to keep these cards in your system for more than a couple of years though, I would wait for the 16-20GB versions as these will last longer.



hinch said:

Hopper will be a huge upgrade but will likely be years away.

Those who are on still on Pascal (like me), going from the 10XX series the 3000 series is a massive increase to performance. If you are going to keep these cards in your system for more than a couple of years though, I would wait for the 16-20GB versions as these will last longer.

I doubt Hopper will be far away and it probably will be a smaller increase in Power than Ampere to Turing. That's why I don't worry much about getting a 3080 with 10GB, because I'll be able to replace it easily within the next 2 years. 2 years that will be absolutely fine with 10GBs. Going from a 3080 to a 4080Ti in about 2 years should be fine.



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True, two years seems to the be the normal cycle for Nvidia release schedule. I usually skip a generation of GPU's, so I'm personally waiting on the RTX 3080 20GB announcement. I like going for the 'tock' releases in the roadmap.

But yeah the 10GB model surely be enough for the next couple of years of gaming.



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New TV not arriving tomorrow.
I cannot lift the old TV off the table.
I cannot lift the new TV onto the table.
Table breaks with new TV on it.
New TV being a bitch with software bugs.
New TV being a bitch with bad panel.
Shitty cables not supporting the cool stuff.
Shitty Windows not supporting the cool stuff.
Shitty GPUs not supporting the cool stuff.
Shitty monitors preventing cool stuff.
Shitty drivers preventing the cool stuff.
Cool stuff not actually being cool enough.

Gonna try to think of more things.



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