Yeah they said all that to bring more hate on ms and make there product more gamer frinedly  which now forced ms to pretty much take away there special stuff  its all about business

ms now has to go back to the drawing borad and find a way to bring all the features they had planed with a internet  connection to somehow work without one   

Gotcha.

I'm just thinking that when people talk about the 24 hour check and DRM they do it because of the benefits you get with being connected to the cloud all the time. Without that and those benefits, a DRM implementation like Microsoft had for Xbox One for Sony would be kind of pointless...

You would think that a big corporation would try to make good decisions and then really try not to back peddle on them. Because that's never good for public image. And one that's already tainted.

Still, we'll see how this plays out. I don't think MS ever promised they would keep being a good kid.

The internet connect (once every 24 hours) was soleyl to check libraries so it could erase games if people had traded them in. With it gone they've confirmed you can't install your games and that's that. There isn't anything else they need to figure out.

@ Disolitude - I don't know why cloud even keeps coming up in this discussion, it's totally seperate in my eyes? Nothing today has effected their plans for it, whatever they may be.

Of course they tried to make good decisions and I think they actually made good decisions but the crowd didn't want it so they changed it. Why force something on people what they don't want`?

@bold: I don't know any company did it ever. Well, actually no company is a good kid. Even Sony isn't (hard to believe, I know).

What should worry people is that they are doing this with a simple FW update. They're not completely taking what they have announced out of the system. It'll be all there at launch, only they are using a SW work around. That means that if they change their minds (not saying they will), all it will take is a simple FW update and everything is back to how they originally planned the Xbox One.

And I would imagine MS has also spent quite a bit of money putting everything in place for this DRM, including a special network for retailers to go through if they want to sell One SW. Not sure if they are willing for that money to go to waste, completely.

Some kids are just lesser of an evil. And MS can be part that group, and I'm sure they'll try their hardest (well, you would think) to get out of the hole they dug themselves. If they keep up with this turn around, then I'm sure people will forgive them, slightly. But if they take back what they said..... that would be bad....

(Boy I've been throwing that term around a lot...)

How do you know all this?

And sometimes companies make bad calls and make a loss, Microsoft did so with a company they bought years and years ago and lost $500 mill on it last year or something? I didn't think they would go back on these plans but they have, and now they have I find it really unfesible they'll change half way through which would cause an unimaginable shitstorm. It just sounds like ya'll trying to convince yourselves it's gonna happen?

Like I said, expect MS (and Sony) to be planning fully digital consoles for 2020 launch.

This is because DRM *is* software, if you don't know. You should especially know what firmware-updates can do and remove or add to systems. Sony could also implement DRM afterwards.

The costs I think are not that high. MS already had a global high-speed network so perhaps yes, there were costs, but it's not that they bury servers now in the desert.

Which would have allowed there game sharing feature which is now no longer availabe