No, but acting as if "games where you shoot stuff with guns" or cut things to pieces with major gore is "mature", while games with a more old school, "cartoony" approach is "immature", is beyond infantile. So I suppose Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon, and Jak & Daxter and Sly Cooper and Croc and Ratchet & Clank, all games/franchises that started on Sony consoles, were/are also "immature"? Or is just "cartoony" Nintendo franchises you don't like? Excuse me...that are "immature".

I'm likely older than you, and have been gaming a lot longer. Yet I do not equate shooting/graphic violence with "maturity". In fact you could make an intellectual argument to the direct opposite effect. HOWEVER, it all boils down to what you like as a gamer. If YOU personally like "realistic" shooters and other such games, congratulations. But that doesn't make the kind of games YOU like, any better than the kinds of gamers OTHERS might enjoy. Just enjoy what you like, and let others do the same.

And calling out Nintendo for coming up with new Mario or Smash or Mario Kart or DK or Kirby, etc. games, is rather disengenuous in the face of yet ANOTHER Call of Duty, or Halo, or Battlefield, or Final Fantasy, or Forza, or Gran Turismo, or Metal Gear Solid, or Grand Theft Auto, or Splinter Cell, or Assassin's Creed, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Maybe you should reread my comment. I said that we need a mixture of cartoony and mature stuff.

Anyways I don't like shooters all that much. I like action-adventure, hack n slash, arcade racing and sim racing a lot more. Simply asking about great storylines and brutal action in games doesn't mean I love shooters. Stop generalising stuff.

Anyways publishers like SCE, EA, Ubisoft, Take-Two etc also come up with new stuff every now and then.

I don't think you understand. I've never before wanted any consumer product to fail, at least not that I can remember. The closest I might come to it might be something like HD-DVD Vs Blu-ray. Unitl I actually had some skin in the game (PS3), I didn't care what format won out, I just knew the world is better off with a unified format, just like the world is better off with a unified USB plug/port design, and a unified HDMI plug/port design. My focus is on wanting products I buy to succeed so that my choice continues to get whatever ongoing support and services it needs to meet my needs. In general because I like people I want their choices to do well enough so that their investment in a product does not get wasted, but not so well that my chosen product whithers up and dies. Strike a happy balance so everyone wins. Live and let live.

With Xbone it's different. Sometimes something comes along which is so bad, and so in violation of my views on rights, fairness and the other good and true things about civilised society that I want that thing to fail, utterly. And if some people who bought into that thing end up losing some time, or money (but nothing too serious, life threatening or life altering - in a bad way), then that's an unfortunate but acceptable and necessary sacrifice to defeat something wrong and bad. MS's DRM policies are such a thing. With those DRM policies Xbone deserves condemnation in my view. I call the 8th gen Microsoft console Xbone as my small form of political protest.

Don't get me wrong. I don't actually want Xbone to fail, I want MS's anti-consumer policies to fail. If that means the complete failure of Xbone that would be an unfortunate, but ultimately beneficial to the consumer, outcome. A better outcome though would be for MS to reasonably quickly realise that their DRM policies are really hurting Xbone's (and the Xbox brand in general) long term viability and they undertake a massive overhaul of the system and revoke all of those policies and become a DRM neutral platform, like the PC and PS4 and Wii U(?). I fear that it is too late for MS to effect such a radical shift, which leaves total failure of Xbone as the only remaining option. You might say the DRM policies aren't that bad? I say thin edge of the wedge.

I'm too laxy and uncreative to turn this into a console / gaming relevant poem, but I hope you can understand how this poem relates to the erosion of consumer rights that woud result through the successful implementation of DRM policies such as that on the Xbone.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

oni-link said: This is seriously messed up!!! What's up with all this unwanted hate for Microsoft lately?

its just that some people dont like to be fucked over with all the anti consumer bull crap they are pushing down our throats, crazy right? the thing is this isnt just spreading on gaming forums and comments on gaming articles, this is spreading to a lot and more and more people are knowing about this, the sun news paper basically trolled the X1 for example. i hope all this "hate" (suddenly if people criticize something its hate) translates into sales, you know, for the sake of the industry

i think you are only one who thinks this, i think Wii U has a far better chance to dominate than Xbox One

There is NO chance Xbox takes out Sony, you're either dreaming or completely blind towards who and what Sony is. I know they're fan boys for every company, but realistically speaking NO ONE is taking out Sony. Sony taking out Microsoft is more of a relevant topic if anything. With the PS4 set to break even the PS2's launch numbers, what in any Xbox fan boy mind thinks Sony will be taken out? The PS3 has ground breaking titles including new titles such as The Last of Us. Sony continues to do what they've always done, be the best at gaming and push the envelope beyond what the standard limit is. This generation was a rough start with PS3, but even with that launch and price Sony clamped down and took 2nd place above a console who launched a full year earlier, cost less, and had a huge community on Live. The PS4 is going to keep breaking records, will be the best console this gen, and will set Sony in complete control. E3 is done, Sony set the bar and only they can reach it.

How exactly are they going to take out Sony and Nintendo with a much higher price and availability in only 21 countries? The PS3 had problems at that price point when available worldwide with out XBO's policies, at this point it's looking like a two horse race between the Eastern giants. The price alone is enough to hurt the XBO.

I did read what you said. However, fair enough.

Though I do hope you can recognize that your comments about Nintendo and their games is also generalizing to a great degree.

Not quite, you were on the right line or reasoning but then you brought a value judgement into it, falling into the same trap as Ucell, only different.

Pure gaming is focussing exclusively on games: good, bad, social, kiddie, waggle, "mature" (funny how "mature" is used for games that are anything but), it doesn't matter. If a product only does games then it's a pure gaming machine. Not even Wii U is pure games, but it certainly is closer to pure games than PS4 or Xbone.

He should of seen this coming. I mean most of us won't put up with the crap that Microsoft is trying to force on us