Man, I love these threads. They make such statements funny now :)

And no more ps fans defended the $599 launch price of a ps3 back then than ms fans now do of the xbone, hence the lucklaster sales of the ps3 until the launch of the slim.

I just realized that the PS4 is launching at a cheaper price than the PS2 if we apply inflation. $299 in 2000 is equal to $403 today.
Apply inflation to the 360's $399 launch price and it would cost $475 today, so actually MS is in line with the 360's launch price, its just a pity that wages have gone down over the past 8 years so that $499 is gonna be a hard sell.

Can you backup that statement because I don't see that many Microsoft fans supporting the price tag.  I found the UK price particularly terrible so I'm still considering cancelling my preorder.

Sorry I'm terrible at looking up threads and posts from random people from sites I visit. Several people are saying that in terms of value, it's worth the money they're  asking for since it provides one year of Live and kinect which costs a lot. Some argue that it's actually cheaper than the ps4 if you take just those two things into account. Also, several people have mentioned having pre-ordered one already, though I'm not sure if they've stated that they have an issue with the price (though the fact that they pre-ordered shows that it's not a deal breaker).

Yes, but... People will compare its price with CURRENT competitors. Like they did with PS3, naturally, in fact it sold quite a small part of its total sales when it cost more than $400.

Correction.

1 Year of Xbox Live is included with the Launch Pre-Order.  There is no word that a one-year sub will be included outside of a pre-order.

If you assume the price of the PS4 Eye ($59.99) and a one-year sub to PS+($60), the cost for the Xbox One becomes $380.00.

In case you all missed it, the price of PS+ is $60.00 for the PS4.  In the E3 presentation, Sony mentioned for just $5.00 a month...etc.  5x12=60.

It IS a free phone. It's nothing to do with the actual contract people sign up for with the network provider. Working for a phone shop I'd have thought you'd know that!? 

Damn that extra credit agreement must be for people with seriously poor credit ratings. My mum upgraded to an S4 last month with O2. There was no extra agreement with that Just £37.00 per month for unlimited minutes, texts and 500mb data. Yes she could have that for £21 per month on a 12 month contract if she didn't get a phone with it, but that still only works out at £384 for the Galaxy S4 which is cheaper than buying one Sim Free.

However, whether you're paying more in the long run through your line rental or not is irrelivant, the phone is still free unless you have one of those additional credit agreements you speak of, but I've never seen that anywhere and would never sign up to that. If you're telling customers at your work it's not a free phone and that it is part of the contract, you are mis-selling to them and it's no wonder the phone networks have so many problems with people refusing to pay their line rental 14 months down the line when they've broken their phone because the network won't replace the handset.

Look at Littlewoods etc. They're "interest free" but you pay more for the product in the initial purchase price. Doesn't alter the fact that it's interest free. Again you still fail to address the fact that there is no up front cost.

Look at the cheap Xbox 360s in the US. The console is what $99? You more than pay for it across the 2 years you have to pay $14.99 or whatever it is for the special Xbox Live sub they come with, but the console is still $99. That is the up front cost, that is all the person getting it cares about at the time. I don't doubt Xbox One will adopt a similar strategy in the long term, and you know what? It'll sell a lot better when it does.

I don't think it works that way. I think they stated that it's less than $5 a month. There is no information that it has actually increased. Just like most products and services, you save some money by buying more/ a bigger package.

About the first sentence. I'm not saying that that's not the case. However, Sony is giving consumers a choice, which is good. Unfortunately for Sony most playstation owners don't care for casual games or motion controls, so for someone who has no interest in kinect or the pseye, the ps4 is much cheaper than the xbone.

Some people try so hard.