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Adinnieken said:
thranx said:

No need. Instant game rentals would be done through MS and the cloud, no need for gamefly there. Game rentals are already done by redbox and MS is already partnered with them. I see gamefly going down, and netflix too(tehy have a hard time with licsening deals and I dont think they can fix it, other streaming services are owned by the content creators so they are slowly pulling out of netflix)

Could do.  By offering it through RedBox, it would mean a single subscription service for TV shows, movies, and games.

Though I honestly think any service for game rental would be just a front to a Microsoft service, since all the games being delivered would already be hosted by Microsoft.  However, having a brand name to front it would be enticing for people. 

The only thing is, isn't RedBox a timed exclusive deal?


it is. But redbox is also partnered with verizon for its instant video. MS and verizon have healthy ties right now. I am sure it will make its way to the other consoles too.  I am not sure on the extent of their deal with rebox/verizon/MS but they are three companies I like, and I hope they continue to work together.

 

Edit: After researching some more it looks like its more of a verizon/redbox partnership and MS got early access (possibly due to their relationship with verizon)



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Nem said:
Adinnieken said:
Nem said:


You have your points, but dont try to assume you know my age. It devalues your whole post.

I do wonder if the Xbox one will be able to ever sell as much as the 360 did though. I think the pluses dont make up for the minuses.

Me assuming your age doesn't devalue my post at all, as I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you are young and may not be as knowledgable of the integration of features and services into technology.

No, you devalue yourself when you don't fairly take all logical perspectives into consideration when you post.  If you're old enough to know how technology has evolved to integrate features and services, then you undermine your own point and argument by ignoring the fact that it happens and it IS a benefit to consumers. 


The arrogance is astounding. I dont care about the evolution of technology i care about what i pay my money for. That is maybe the logic you missed.

And if the Xbox One and the PS4 both are $400 or ­£400 or whatever the currency is where you are, how does the added value that Microsoft is delivering detract from the value of the console?  If for the same price, you get more features in the box with the Xbox One, wouldn't that make it a better value regardless of whether or not you think those features are important to you now or not?



Adinnieken said:
Nem said:
Adinnieken said:
Nem said:


You have your points, but dont try to assume you know my age. It devalues your whole post.

I do wonder if the Xbox one will be able to ever sell as much as the 360 did though. I think the pluses dont make up for the minuses.

Me assuming your age doesn't devalue my post at all, as I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you are young and may not be as knowledgable of the integration of features and services into technology.

No, you devalue yourself when you don't fairly take all logical perspectives into consideration when you post.  If you're old enough to know how technology has evolved to integrate features and services, then you undermine your own point and argument by ignoring the fact that it happens and it IS a benefit to consumers. 


The arrogance is astounding. I dont care about the evolution of technology i care about what i pay my money for. That is maybe the logic you missed.

And if the Xbox One and the PS4 both are $400 or ­£400 or whatever the currency is where you are, how does the added value that Microsoft is delivering detract from the value of the console?  If for the same price, you get more features in the box with the Xbox One, wouldn't that make it a better value regardless of whether or not you think those features are important to you now or not?

While there is nothing wrong with people looking at lowest cost of ownership for an experience, regardless of features, people do tend forget that extra features like this which they have to pay extra for don't cancel the existing features which are already known to deliver the goods and don't occur any extra cost.

 

Here is an image I like to refer to esplaining this:

 

I think the gaming community has a beef with Xbox One in general as it isn't solely focused on gaming and they completely disregard that it most likely will be one hell of a gaming console without all the TV stuff. The problem is that focusing on existing features and users doesn't expand markets, and the moment youre not growing and expanding a market, you are seen as dead in the corporate world. 



disolitude said:

A search engine for content, be it linear or IP based, or even hosted on your local file server... that is voice navigated and brought down to a technical level that anyone can absolutely understand. The possibilities are endless...

"Xbox watch Chuck Norris"

"Xbox watch Jenna Marbles"

"Xbox watch Chicago bulls beat Orlado magic"

"Xbox watch tornados flip cars"

etc...

Good luck with that working effectively, though.  It's hard enough to get what you want with a text-based search.  That would only work well with small, professionally tagged databases.



Adinnieken said:
Nem said:


The arrogance is astounding. I dont care about the evolution of technology i care about what i pay my money for. That is maybe the logic you missed.

And if the Xbox One and the PS4 both are $400 or ­£400 or whatever the currency is where you are, how does the added value that Microsoft is delivering detract from the value of the console?  If for the same price, you get more features in the box with the Xbox One, wouldn't that make it a better value regardless of whether or not you think those features are important to you now or not?


That is quite simple.

Added costs on the Xbox one: Kinect, fee for online play and probably all these TV features, no rechargeable battery on the gamepad, no used game resale value, no trust in long term core gamer software support. These all lower the value of the Xbox one for the consumer.

If both were sold at 400 the PS4 would offer alot more value per money. Microsoft loves to bundle in all these hidden fees. The TV features because completely inconsequential next to those.



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pokoko said:
disolitude said:

A search engine for content, be it linear or IP based, or even hosted on your local file server... that is voice navigated and brought down to a technical level that anyone can absolutely understand. The possibilities are endless...

"Xbox watch Chuck Norris"

"Xbox watch Jenna Marbles"

"Xbox watch Chicago bulls beat Orlado magic"

"Xbox watch tornados flip cars"

etc...

Good luck with that working effectively, though.  It's hard enough to get what you want with a text-based search.  That would only work well with small, professionally tagged databases.


I think the whole point of what MS is doing is to make the data bases easily searchable. I would think that voice would be just as easy as text. I usually have no problem finding videos on my current 360. I have no problems finding tv shows or movies through my cable box. I dont think MS will have too hard of a time making this work.

 

Edit: They show some of it here in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifa9Q7ATfVA&feature=youtu.be sorry can't embed



pokoko said:
disolitude said:

A search engine for content, be it linear or IP based, or even hosted on your local file server... that is voice navigated and brought down to a technical level that anyone can absolutely understand. The possibilities are endless...

"Xbox watch Chuck Norris"

"Xbox watch Jenna Marbles"

"Xbox watch Chicago bulls beat Orlado magic"

"Xbox watch tornados flip cars"

etc...

Good luck with that working effectively, though.  It's hard enough to get what you want with a text-based search.  That would only work well with small, professionally tagged databases.


Why can't it work? Xbox One has Bing integrated. Look at Bing videos now  and search for something like "jean claude van damme"... its pretty good at sorting content from variouos web sources. 

Xbox One will also have access to the cable feed and the metadata available for each TV show.

Other programs and apps like Netflix may need to have an API which Xbox connects to to search their database but this isn't very difficult.

Finally Xbox has Kinect with its impressive voice recognition which is always on and is recording your voice habbits and tying them to your video selections.

Everything is there just needs to be put together...



Nem said:

That is quite simple.

Added costs on the Xbox one: Kinect, fee for online play and probably all these TV features, no rechargeable battery on the gamepad, no used game resale value, no trust in long term core gamer software support. These all lower the value of the Xbox one for the consumer.

If both were sold at 400 the PS4 would offer alot more value per money. Microsoft loves to bundle in all these hidden fees. The TV features because completely inconsequential next to those.

Sorry, but you're attempting to introduce a different subject matter into this conversation.  That isn't what this conversation is about.

I asked if, for the same price, you get more features in the box with the Xbox One, wouldn't that make it a better value regardless of whether or not you think those features are important to you now or not?

We can have a bigger discussion in a different thread later about what features of the PS4 you do value and why later.  This thread is about the programming Guide feature of the Xbox One and where in what direction Microsoft may be headed with it.

So, answer the question.  If the Xbox One has features that the PS4 doesn't have, doesn't that make it a better value regardless of whether or not you think those features are important to you?



pokoko said:
disolitude said:

A search engine for content, be it linear or IP based, or even hosted on your local file server... that is voice navigated and brought down to a technical level that anyone can absolutely understand. The possibilities are endless...

"Xbox watch Chuck Norris"

"Xbox watch Jenna Marbles"

"Xbox watch Chicago bulls beat Orlado magic"

"Xbox watch tornados flip cars"

etc...

Good luck with that working effectively, though.  It's hard enough to get what you want with a text-based search.  That would only work well with small, professionally tagged databases.

Microsoft bought a video search company about a year ago.  Many at the time wondered why.  That's why I said what I said in an earlier post.  Not only will you be able to ask for topical searches, but you'll be able to do searches for specific scenes.

I don't expect the initial Xbox One release to do much, but likely a year from launch and beyond it'll have expanded video search capabilities. 



Adinnieken said:
Nem said:

That is quite simple.

Added costs on the Xbox one: Kinect, fee for online play and probably all these TV features, no rechargeable battery on the gamepad, no used game resale value, no trust in long term core gamer software support. These all lower the value of the Xbox one for the consumer.

If both were sold at 400 the PS4 would offer alot more value per money. Microsoft loves to bundle in all these hidden fees. The TV features because completely inconsequential next to those.

Sorry, but you're attempting to introduce a different subject matter into this conversation.  That isn't what this conversation is about.

I asked if, for the same price, you get more features in the box with the Xbox One, wouldn't that make it a better value regardless of whether or not you think those features are important to you now or not?

We can have a bigger discussion in a different thread later about what features of the PS4 you do value and why later.  This thread is about the programming Guide feature of the Xbox One and where in what direction Microsoft may be headed with it.

So, answer the question.  If the Xbox One has features that the PS4 doesn't have, doesn't that make it a better value regardless of whether or not you think those features are important to you?


A purchase is not a one-dimensional decision process. If i remove those factors the Xbox one will have more TV features, but then it wouldnt be a games console i was buying now would it? And the fact that these will probably require a gold subscription seems very relevant, since you would have to pay an additional fee to have acess to all these features.

I just cant see how the Xbox one would have better value because of these features, unless it wasnt a games console or if you were planning to buy a set up box anyways.