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Communist or socialist?

Socialist 14 22.58%
 
Communist 9 14.52%
 
Just as it is, not free and terrible 26 41.94%
 
Other ( post below0 13 20.97%
 
Total:62
Zero999 said:

my geography book says there is a political division of south, central and north America. it's three, not two and everyone considers it as just that, political divisions. I don't see people refering to each part as a continent.

Based on my quick perusal of continental demarkations, there are 5 generally accepted continental configurations.  All are subjective and inherent to your location's arbitrary concepts.

These are the 5 configurations:

4 Continents:
Afro-EurAsia, America, Australia and Antarctica.

5 Continents:
Africa, Eurasia, Australia, America and Antarctica.

6 Continents:
Africa, Europe, Asia, America, Australia and Antarctica.

6 Continents:
Africa, Eurasia, South America, North America, Australia and Antarctica.

7 Continents:
Africa, Europe, Asia, South America, North America, Australia and Antarctica.

The 7 Continent model is usually accepted in the English speaking world, Western Europe and much of Asia.
The 6 Continent model is most usually associated with the Spanish speaking world and some parts of Europe.



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Workers need fairer wages, better working conditions, better public health/educaion services available for all just not those who are fortunate and rich enough to afford health care and education. Obviously the corporations and the capitalists would be against any gains for workers because it means less money for the rich capitalists to waste on caviar, lobster brisque, designer clothes, ski holidays, world trips, exotic cars, growing property portfolio, playing golf, etc.

Unions stand in the way of corporations and fight for a better pay and conditions. Unions have gained a 35 hour work week, annual leave, sick leave, the right of workers to vote, only land owning gentry could vote pre-1900, women gained the right to vote in 1920. Without Unions there would not be a middle class only rich and poor just like the pre-19th century/Victorian era as depicted in a Charles Dickens novel.  To deny workers a fair day's pay for a fair day's work is immoral and simply wrong. It is the hard work of the workers that help the capitalists make profits. Workers have the demnocratic right to strike and protest for a better pay day despite the employer/capitalists opposition. Unions can co-exist in a democracy and fight for a better pay day for workers. 



MDMAlliance said:
DevilRising said:

I think some form of "Socialist Democracy", if done well, is the only reasonable way to go, going forward as a race.


Germany is kind of a Socialist Democracy, but recently they haven't been doing as well.  I think what is best changes depending on what's going on within and outside of the country.


True. But that is more indicative of having a global capitlistic economy, The "Euro", and having national economies so heavily tied into the stock markets, which has always seemed rather absurd. It would be like tying your economy into a casino, it's a relative equivalent.



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Socialism is more suitable than communism.



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sethnintendo said:

I'd rather them admit that we are fascist considering we are pretty much controlled by corporations and politicians listen to corporations over the general public.


^this

bernie sanders socialism works.  this is america.  whats good for me is not what i want for you.  all these congressman trying to get rid of the crumbs we call the ACA rallying the fox driven minions against it while they recieve that good ole federal healtchcare.

if you blind poll people asking them simple questions most people are pretty liberal but they are paranoid enough to vote against their better interest to support the oligarchs and plutocrats on the crack pipe of an american dream.

if you get rid of the first few words of the constitution dont that make the rest worthless?



Freudian slip if I've ever seen one.



Americans call the United States "America" because of colonial terminology. There existed an "American" nation before there existed the United States. Please learn our history Europeans. It makes perfect sense why Americans call the land which is contained in the United States, "America" if you do.



Also for those promoting social democracy as something not totalitarian, read Frederich Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom."



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Workers need fairer wages, better working conditions, better public health/educaion services available for all just not those who are fortunate and rich enough to afford health care and education. Obviously the corporations and the capitalists would be against any gains for workers because it means less money for the rich capitalists to waste on caviar, lobster brisque, designer clothes, ski holidays, world trips, exotic cars, growing property portfolio, playing golf, etc.

Unions stand in the way of corporations and fight for a better pay and conditions. Unions have gained a 35 hour work week, annual leave, sick leave, the right of workers to vote, only land owning gentry could vote pre-1900, women gained the right to vote in 1920. Without Unions there would not be a middle class only rich and poor just like the pre-19th century/Victorian era as depicted in a Charles Dickens novel.  To deny workers a fair day's pay for a fair day's work is immoral and simply wrong. It is the hard work of the workers that help the capitalists make profits. Workers have the demnocratic right to strike and protest for a better pay day despite the employer/capitalists opposition. Unions can co-exist in a democracy and fight for a better pay day for workers. 

Would you describe yourself as a syndicalist? Anyway, unions do the same thing large cooperations do. They force you to be gobbled up by them by a monopolistic control fo a market. Try being a working class small business owner combating a union. You'll lose, and certainly unions aren't any less greedy. I say this coming from a family consisting almost entirely of union workers, there is a lot of frivilious and greed in the politics of a union. But anyway, just as the union has the right to strike so does the company have the right to hire somebody else. Freeedom of association is the name of this game.