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Xenostar said:
platformmaster918 said:
Xenostar said:
But I was told by some x1 apologists that opinions on gaming sites and social media were of such a minority they couldn't effect mass market sales.

Load of crap obviously social media is massive and companies do not ignore it.

I also know Sony aren't daft even if there was no system wide DRM in the first place they'd still let this viral campaign run riot as they can make out they listen and care.

A lot of sales sales and market share can be had by winning the hearts and minds on social media.

If EA pulls support for PS4 (they seem to be the biggest ones pushing for it that would actually be willing to try to force the console makers) Sony could just demonize them and Xbox and advertise themselves as the good guys.  I can only imagine all the media that would get and how much positivity it would generate for Playstation as a whole.  Sure they would lose some hardcore Madden and Fifa guys, but would gamers really follow a company that was so blatant if Sony really hammered the point home?  The bottom line is EA has made plenty of money this gen and they don't have always online or no used games so if Sony really put their foot down would EA be willing to bet the farm on MS (remember they don't have any WiiU games in the works) and PC?  I don't think that will be profitable for them.


EA have no hold over MS, EA are going down hill fast boycotting Sony and losing half there market would destroy them completley. Ea played there last trump cards along time ago. 

Yeah I really don't see how a game like BF could make it's money back if they made it for only Xbox especially if that console was demonized like I'm sure it would be if it were the only DRM and always on (check in whatever) console.




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Osc89 said:
sales2099 said:
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RenCutypoison said:

Even NBC talks about it :

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/playstation-fans-flock-twitter-protest-drm-6C10094985


Really good and wonderful that Sony isn't ignoring us gamers :) (Gaf deserved our thanks as well)

By the way, why aren't Microsoft fans protesting as well i wonder!?

Sony isn't doing anything, just mid level employees saying "we hear you". That means nothing and yet ppl like you eat it up.

A good chunk of the protesting is from Xbox fans.......on every gaming news site on the internet.......for the past week and counting.....wtf you must have been joking with that.

As much as I would like to believe its all Sony fans who wouldnt buy Xbox 1 anyways, its Xbox fans who just want better.


There is a clear difference in attitude. Sony employees are saying "we hear you", Microsoft employees are saying "deal with it".

And there hasn't been anything like this from Xbox fans. All I hear is "stop being negative" and "just wait, there will be good stuff". It would be better if the Xbox fans would speak up and deal with the bad stuff, but they are too busy searching for positives. I would tweet/sign in support of any anti Xbox DRM, but apparently saying anything bad about the XB1 is a sign of weakness. Which sucks for me as I would rather own all the consoles.

I'm glad Sony fans are getting ahead of the problem, and making sure it is sorted before the PS4 comes out.


You don't see....the backlash itself, from every gaming web site, is from disgruntled Xbox gamers. They far outnumber the ones searching for positives. I don't know how to make it any clearer......the backlash, this negative PR shitstorm......is caused by not only Sony fans faning the flames, but by mostly Xbox gamers that want better.



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michael_stutzer said:
sales2099 said:

A good chunk of the protesting is from Xbox fans.......on every gaming news site on the internet.......for the past week and counting.....wtf you must have been joking with that.

 

If this site is anything to go by, I'd say the exact opposite. I keep seeing " don't worry, everything will be great.", "I don't buy second hand games anyway." comments from Xbox crowd. Instead of trying to change MS's mind they pray and hope that Sony is doing the same thing. One user even said that people who are against this idea are Sony fanboys and the internet is full of Sony fanboys. Go figure.

Wow......

So there is no pr backlash. The conference went well. There is no problem with MS here.......oh wait.

The ones looking for positives pale, and I mean pale in comparison to the tens of thousands that are expressing outrage on the internet. These aren't just SOny fans, but Xbox gamers that want better.



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AbbathTheGrim said:
sales2099 said:

Sony isn't doing anything, just mid level employees saying "we hear you". That means nothing and yet ppl like you eat it up.

A good chunk of the protesting is from Xbox fans.......on every gaming news site on the internet.......for the past week and counting.....wtf you must have been joking with that.

As much as I would like to believe its all Sony fans who wouldnt buy Xbox 1 anyways, its Xbox fans who just want better.

How big is this huge chunck of Xbox fans protesting? What are the numbers? How did you know they are simply protesting to get something better for the Xbone and not because they are ready to jump ship? Show me proof that demonstrates this.

@Bolded: Agree completely. Can't blame Xbox fans for wanting something better than what they were shown in the reveal.

Proof? lol everyone is going nuts now all of a sudden.....this is common sense. Any 3rd party gaming forum and web site, YT, etc. has so much outrage from many gamers.

There is no ratio of whos a Sony fan fanning the flames and which ones are disgruntled Xbox gamers. I say gamers, not fans, so that includes fans but also neutral gamers who buy a Xbox as a secondary console. The outrage , from a common sense standpoint, is from gamers with some interest in Xbox who want it to be better. Either that, or its all Sony fans who have nothing better to do then spread hate. As much as I would like to believe the 2nd point, its more likely the first.



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I think e3 will help relieve some of the bad press for M$, but i totally agree, people are mad because they want better for the hundreds of $$$ they will be spending without getting punished.

The way things are going i will be going the illegal mod route, no drm can contain my gaming.



 

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sales2099 said:
Osc89 said:
sales2099 said:
Sony isn't doing anything, just mid level employees saying "we hear you". That means nothing and yet ppl like you eat it up.

A good chunk of the protesting is from Xbox fans.......on every gaming news site on the internet.......for the past week and counting.....wtf you must have been joking with that.

As much as I would like to believe its all Sony fans who wouldnt buy Xbox 1 anyways, its Xbox fans who just want better.


There is a clear difference in attitude. Sony employees are saying "we hear you", Microsoft employees are saying "deal with it".

And there hasn't been anything like this from Xbox fans. All I hear is "stop being negative" and "just wait, there will be good stuff". It would be better if the Xbox fans would speak up and deal with the bad stuff, but they are too busy searching for positives. I would tweet/sign in support of any anti Xbox DRM, but apparently saying anything bad about the XB1 is a sign of weakness. Which sucks for me as I would rather own all the consoles.

I'm glad Sony fans are getting ahead of the problem, and making sure it is sorted before the PS4 comes out.


You don't see....the backlash itself, from every gaming web site, is from disgruntled Xbox gamers. They far outnumber the ones searching for positives. I don't know how to make it any clearer......the backlash, this negative PR shitstorm......is caused by not only Sony fans faning the flames, but by mostly Xbox gamers that want better.


I haven't seen that at all. I have seen the Sony fans enjoying themselves, and I have seen multi console owners sick with Microsoft not pulling their weight and becoming anti-consumer. But Xbox fans? It's all "Why the XB1 will win", "Kinect 2.0 is the next-gen killer feature" and "The cloud means XB1 is more powerful". I don't see how anyone could care about any of that until they sort this out.

If they did care, we would have #XB1NoDRM by now. Sony fans are fighting against Sony for something that has only been rumoured, but we aren't seeing something similar for something that has been confirmed.



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Osc89 said:
sales2099 said:
 


You don't see....the backlash itself, from every gaming web site, is from disgruntled Xbox gamers. They far outnumber the ones searching for positives. I don't know how to make it any clearer......the backlash, this negative PR shitstorm......is caused by not only Sony fans faning the flames, but by mostly Xbox gamers that want better.


I haven't seen that at all. I have seen the Sony fans enjoying themselves, and I have seen multi console owners sick with Microsoft not pulling their weight and becoming anti-consumer. But Xbox fans? It's all "Why the XB1 will win", "Kinect 2.0 is the next-gen killer feature" and "The cloud means XB1 is more powerful". I don't see how anyone could care about any of that until they sort this out.

If they did care, we would have #XB1NoDRM by now. Sony fans are fighting against Sony for something that has only been rumoured, but we aren't seeing something similar for something that has been confirmed.

I am a bias person. I have an eye for PS fans. But I am aware of it. I try to see the ratios of fans I see vs non fans.

Ever consdiered that a good chunk of said complaining and protesting on ALL gaming forums are Xbox fans? An Xbox fan can't hate on MS? Do not confuse all protesters as Sony fans and neutral gamers......Xbox fans are among them too. Xbox.com forums have plenty pleas from 360 diehards......Xbox fans don't have to use the exact same method Sony fans are using.

You act like MS hasn't heard the pleas...... I am shocked by your statement. Shocked. MS has heard the backlash loud and clear. There is no need for a twitter movement. They know. Real world news outlets, gaming journalism, business analysists, and gaming forums everywhere have made it perfectly clear.

You haven't seen it at all......youve seen it non-stop for the last week and a half! Xbox fans are among those upset. For every one trying to stay positive, you have seen dozens voicing concern and you dismiss it as a Sony fan or a neutral gamer.

Thank you for kicking a minority fanbase when they are down, saying  the majority don't care and aren't passionate........you (among others who think this) really want to make Xbox fans look inferior in every regard.

And how dare you shit on people for trying to stay positive, because there is NOTHING wrong with waiting until there is official clarification on these matters.



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Neoarc said:
Boyes continues by saying that while hearing this type of feedback is influential from a website, seeing the dearth of messages from people who live and breath PlayStation “is powerful and humbling.” Twitter is a tool that helps link together major companies and its biggest fans, and while we don’t know at this time how big of an impact the hastag will have, what we’ve heard from Sony so far is encouraging.

I really hope he didn't say "dearth". Because if he did, then I don't think he knows what it means.

"Dearth" means scarcity - so it's saying "the lack of messages... is powerful and humbling".



sales2099 said:
Osc89 said:
sales2099 said:
 


You don't see....the backlash itself, from every gaming web site, is from disgruntled Xbox gamers. They far outnumber the ones searching for positives. I don't know how to make it any clearer......the backlash, this negative PR shitstorm......is caused by not only Sony fans faning the flames, but by mostly Xbox gamers that want better.


I haven't seen that at all. I have seen the Sony fans enjoying themselves, and I have seen multi console owners sick with Microsoft not pulling their weight and becoming anti-consumer. But Xbox fans? It's all "Why the XB1 will win", "Kinect 2.0 is the next-gen killer feature" and "The cloud means XB1 is more powerful". I don't see how anyone could care about any of that until they sort this out.

If they did care, we would have #XB1NoDRM by now. Sony fans are fighting against Sony for something that has only been rumoured, but we aren't seeing something similar for something that has been confirmed.

I am a bias person. I have an eye for PS fans. But I am aware of it. I try to see the ratios of fans I see vs non fans.

Ever consdiered that a good chunk of said complaining and protesting on ALL gaming forums are Xbox fans? An Xbox fan can't hate on MS? Do not confuse all protesters as Sony fans and neutral gamers......Xbox fans are among them too. Xbox.com forums have plenty pleas from 360 diehards......Xbox fans don't have to use the exact same method Sony fans are using.

You act like MS hasn't heard the pleas...... I am shocked by your statement. Shocked. MS has heard the backlash loud and clear. There is no need for a twitter movement. They know. Real world news outlets, gaming journalism, business analysists, and gaming forums everywhere have made it perfectly clear.

You haven't seen it at all......youve seen it non-stop for the last week and a half! Xbox fans are among those upset. For every one trying to stay positive, you have seen dozens voicing concern and you dismiss it as a Sony fan or a neutral gamer.

Thank you for kicking a minority fanbase when they are down, saying  the majority don't care and aren't passionate........you (among others who think this) really want to make Xbox fans look inferior in every regard. 


Not at all. I don't want to knock Xbox fans. I want the XB1 to be a good console, and I would support any movement to make that happen. Right now, all I have seen is the complaining on forums and the response from gaming journalism, and I am only going by what I have seen. If you look through the Microsoft Discussion forum there are a lot of positive XB1 threads. And I personally see each of these as a roadblock to fixing the problem.

I'm sorry if I sound like I am attacking the fanbase. It is just that I believe if the gaming community as a whole is as negative as possible about this (to both Microsoft and Sony) then the problem will be fixed by launch. A miserable time for Xbox fans now (rather than pretending things are ok) means a great console later.



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another thread with no real answer on what Sony will do :P

their silence is worrying



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