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disolitude said:
First of all I don't buy this as Sony really doesn't have much choice here. If 3rd parties and publishers want DRM(and they do) they will get DRM...If Sony doesn't provide it, they will get spanked.

Secondly, this "DRM" is just software and not something that is set in stone, meaning it can be adjusted at any time. Both Sony and Microsoft are going to try things in the next 6 months and find the best possible solution for gamers and publishers alike.

Lastly, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. When its all said and done, people will most likely be able to trade in and sell their hard copies of the game. The moment the game is installed on another machine, it will get disabled on the original account. Hence why a 24 hour internet check-in makes sense.

The problem with what Microsoft are doing to me, is not what they are doing, but how they are conveying it.

This was the question on everyone's lips after the rumours and they completely failed to address it in their event or post press conference interviews



  

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mtu9356 said:
wick said:

People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


Again, and I feel as if I'm banging my head against a brick wall bringing up the same point over and over......

This is not an option for a lot of people!

No matter how much money I payed, I cannot get a better connection than I already have.

Unless I go and dig up my street and install cable myself, it aint happening.


Honestly, i feel sorry for people who live outside the US/Canada.  Microsoft seems to be ignoring those living outside North America.


You don't have to leave the U.S.

Try living in Janesville and Blacksburg!



ArnoldRimmer said:
Not sure if what he says is actually true, but anyway it is extremely reasonable.

He's absolutely right: The common "Xbox One is the greatest, bestest device ever! Criticism forbidden! Many things not confirmed yet, so nobody should even talk about them! At least until E3!"-theme sung by so many Xbox fans is just as foolish as believing that Sony doesn't consider such anti-customer policies as well. If Microsoft got away with them, Sony would soon use them too.

When it comes to clear anti-customer policies, console rivalry is foolish. If there's something you don't like about your favourite company's next console, speak up instead of defending the undefendable. Because if the shitstorm is too big, the manufacturers will reconsider their ideas. Microsoft WILL ultimately come up with something more customer-friendly, which is good for fans of all consoles.

The "See??? I told you to wait until E3 with your criticism!!!"-guys will believe they were right all along, but in fact it was the people openly criticizing possible anti-customer-policies that saved the world. They're heroes!

I do agree that we do not know if any of it is actually true, but it doesn't stop all the negative reaction against MS. There are many things that points to Sony already having something in place that works similarily. The patent they filed, EA getting rid of onlines passes, and not making any sort of negative comments against what MS is supposedly doing.

It is clear that his advice should be followed; people who do not like the ideas should be vocal about it to the people responsible for it. Go complain to MS, Sony, the various publishers. If all else fails, speak with your money if it really affects you that much.

As for the E3 comments. Most of the ones I've seen are directed to the people complaining about MS not showing many games at the reveal or not having any games. MS clearly stated that this reveal was for the hardware and the features of the system and that the games will be shown at E3. They could have been hoping to build hype and have an impressive E3 showing, who knows. Still, they should have known better and focused some more time on games. The Xbox is primarily known as a video game console first and foremost, at least currently.



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KylieDog said:
Sony should just leave it up to third parties, if EA want to block used games they can online pass the entire game. This way all flak is passed to EA and Sony come out fine.

 

They can do that on ps3 and 360 already i think. I mean if they require a loggin to their servers they could do it now. They don't want to be the idiots going out alone. They want everyone to do it at the same time, and what better opportunity than at the beginning of a generation.



Birimbau said:
Guys don't deceive yourselves, Sony stated they will let thirds choose if they want it or not on their games, it's up to them, as thirds want to make money with used games sales, they want a DRM system on Ps4 as well as on XOne.


This is what I believe will happen too. 

It will be interesting to see what third parties will include this DRM in their games.   Ubisoft and EA are likely candidates since they already implement drm in most of PC games.



disolitude said:
Nem said:
disolitude said:
mtu9356 said:
disolitude said:

I guess the definition of games working vs being enjoyable and played as they are meant to can be argued here. I played Dead rising on xbox 360 on a 32 inch SD TV while I was at my friends cottage for a week. It wasn't nearly as fun as it was on my HDTv at home.

We don't know yet for sure since we don't know what will be available without internet, but similar situation may be applied about next gen games and internet.

You will deffinetly not have as much fun without internet, but this may come with reduced content available and not lack of visual stimulation in the SD vs HD debate last gen. People buckled down and bought HGTV's throughout last gen... so wouldn't it be fair to say that it may time to buckle down and get high speed internet durring this gen?


You really can't compare buying an hd tv (product) with paying for internet (service).

On a definition term basis you're absolutely right. they are 2 different things.

However on where our society and economy is at today VS back in 2005, I think they are comparable. Services are essentially the new products these days. Products tend to be free even but the tie in service is what you end up paying for...

Stop the presses! Marketing has just been re-invented by disolitude. Lets write new books and manuals because it all changed... or not. A product and a service are vastly different things, wich you seem to be mixing up with customer relationship. 

Sorry, but youre talking nonsense.


I am not sure what you are refering to here since you decided to reply with banter and sarcasm instead of comprehensable information.

I aknowledge the differences between services and producs...completely different things. All I said is that services are much more prominant in 2013 than 2005 so asking for a service subscription in order for a product to work properly isnt as far fetched as you kids make it seem.

Also there is the fact is that game companies have been trying to turn games in to a "service" instead of a "product" for many years, with season and all access passes, monthly memberships and free to play models eventually turning a game in to a service.

Even Xbox is expected to be sold at a discount if bundled with an xbl monthly service...this trend will only continue.


You said services are the new products. The definition and application of both concepts has not changed. Season passes and Acess passes are not services. Monthly and free to play are, so you're mixing things up.



So really the only issue is lending a game to a friend?

Because the trading in games issue was addressed. So its just the lending part thats a big con?

Well if Sony does it too, it would be very interesting



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

I think Sony will have this as well, but not in the form Microsoft is implementing.
They will give the devs the choice to implement it or not. In 2 weeks everyone will know.