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Which Is the bigger 1st party exclusive?

Gran Turismo 237 50.97%
 
Halo 228 49.03%
 
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Jaywood2010 on 19 May 2013
Turkish said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Turkish said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Turkish said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Turkish said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Turkish said:
Gran Turismo because it has sold more.

Not this gen.

But GT4 might change that!

Nah, just kidding. Halo sold more this gen. :-p


The fuck do I care about gens? GT has sold more, thats an undeniable fact.

You can't just look at how many units were sold throughout the life of the series. Using your logic, IPs that have become irrelevant

But GT isnt irrelevant. It sold more than Halo.

Did I say GT was irrelevent? Nope.

You've determined over all equals bigger. You aren't considering GT has been around longer and Halo is closing the sales gap. Halo is doing that because its bigger.

Look at it this way. Since 2001, Gran Turismo has apparently sold 50 million units. But that number is bloated with heavy bundling, a PSP release, and Prologues.

The number Halo has sold in retail on consoles is about 55 million. But we don't know how much that series sold digitally and on the PC. There was a Halo Reach digital bundle we aren't even counting.

If you want further proof Halo is bigger. Go to Walmart and tell me which series has more merchandise. Halo or Gran Turismo.


3 GTs since 2001 vs something like 8 Halo games and Halo only sold a few million more? Yeah, GT is bigger.

 

ps: in europe we dont have walmarts and apparently we're the biggest audience of GT.

If you just wanna look at 3 GTs since 2001, sales drop down to 36 million. Just Halo 2, 3, 4, and Reach (4 games) is about 38 million. :-p

If GT was released more frequently each release would just sell less. GT5 reached its current number after years of bundling and sitting in the bargain bin.

So 8 Halo games sold as much as 4 GT games, looks like GT is more successful. Imagine if it was as heavy bundled as Halo though, GT wouldve sold way more.

I just want to point out that Halo this generation has outsold  all 4 uncharted games, 3 GT games, and God of War III.

Halo having 6 games vs 8 Sony games.  3 biggest franchises.

P.S. GT is heavily bundled and Halo 4 has yet to recieve a bundle




       

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kolbykooz on 19 May 2013

I think overall GT, but this generation Halo has really started to gain more ground and has caught up quite a bit.



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NYCrysis on 19 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
Turkish said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Turkish said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Turkish said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Turkish said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Turkish said:
Gran Turismo because it has sold more.

Not this gen.

But GT4 might change that!

Nah, just kidding. Halo sold more this gen. :-p


The fuck do I care about gens? GT has sold more, thats an undeniable fact.

You can't just look at how many units were sold throughout the life of the series. Using your logic, IPs that have become irrelevant

But GT isnt irrelevant. It sold more than Halo.

Did I say GT was irrelevent? Nope.

You've determined over all equals bigger. You aren't considering GT has been around longer and Halo is closing the sales gap. Halo is doing that because its bigger.

Look at it this way. Since 2001, Gran Turismo has apparently sold 50 million units. But that number is bloated with heavy bundling, a PSP release, and Prologues.

The number Halo has sold in retail on consoles is about 55 million. But we don't know how much that series sold digitally and on the PC. There was a Halo Reach digital bundle we aren't even counting.

If you want further proof Halo is bigger. Go to Walmart and tell me which series has more merchandise. Halo or Gran Turismo.


3 GTs since 2001 vs something like 8 Halo games and Halo only sold a few million more? Yeah, GT is bigger.

 

ps: in europe we dont have walmarts and apparently we're the biggest audience of GT.

If you just wanna look at 3 GTs since 2001, sales drop down to 36 million. Just Halo 2, 3, 4, and Reach (4 games) is about 38 million. :-p

If GT was released more frequently each release would just sell less. GT5 reached its current number after years of bundling and sitting in the bargain bin.

So 8 Halo games sold as much as 4 GT games, looks like GT is more successful. Imagine if it was as heavy bundled as Halo though, GT wouldve sold way more.

I just want to point out that Halo this generation has outsold  all 4 uncharted games, 3 GT games, and God of War III.

Halo having 6 games vs 8 Sony games.  3 biggest franchises.

P.S. GT is heavily bundled and Halo 4 has yet to recieve a bundle

https://www.google.com/search?q=Halo+4&aq=f&oq=Halo+4&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=-mXkiiEIts4sTx2ZwdEX1A&pq=halo%204&cp=13&gs_id=u&xhr=t&q=Halo%204%20xbox%20bundle&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Halo+4+xbox+b&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.dmQ&fp=e16b3377a0a5d434&biw=1920&bih=979

 

halo 4 has been bundled.



Jaywood2010 on 19 May 2013
NYCrysis said:
JayWood2010 said:

I just want to point out that Halo this generation has outsold  all 4 uncharted games, 3 GT games, and God of War III.

Halo having 6 games vs 8 Sony games.  3 biggest franchises.

P.S. GT is heavily bundled and Halo 4 has yet to recieve a bundle

https://www.google.com/search?q=Halo+4&aq=f&oq=Halo+4&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=-mXkiiEIts4sTx2ZwdEX1A&pq=halo%204&cp=13&gs_id=u&xhr=t&q=Halo%204%20xbox%20bundle&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Halo+4+xbox+b&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.dmQ&fp=e16b3377a0a5d434&biw=1920&bih=979

 

halo 4 has been bundled.

Limited edition bundle for $400.  This is aimed for fans who are buying Halo 4.  You are paying extra for this console.  You know this though which makes me wonder why you brought that up.

When people bring up bundles as a negative they are talking about a console that you get for the same price as you usually do with 1 or 2 free games.




       

NYCrysis on 19 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
NYCrysis said:
JayWood2010 said:

I just want to point out that Halo this generation has outsold  all 4 uncharted games, 3 GT games, and God of War III.

Halo having 6 games vs 8 Sony games.  3 biggest franchises.

P.S. GT is heavily bundled and Halo 4 has yet to recieve a bundle

https://www.google.com/search?q=Halo+4&aq=f&oq=Halo+4&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=-mXkiiEIts4sTx2ZwdEX1A&pq=halo%204&cp=13&gs_id=u&xhr=t&q=Halo%204%20xbox%20bundle&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Halo+4+xbox+b&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.dmQ&fp=e16b3377a0a5d434&biw=1920&bih=979

 

halo 4 has been bundled.

Limited edition bundle for $400.  This is aimed for fans who are buying Halo 4.  You are paying extra for this console.  You know this though which makes me wonder why you brought that up.

you said has yet to recieve a bundle and it is still a bundle technically.



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Jaywood2010 on 19 May 2013
NYCrysis said:
JayWood2010 said:
NYCrysis said:
JayWood2010 said:

I just want to point out that Halo this generation has outsold  all 4 uncharted games, 3 GT games, and God of War III.

Halo having 6 games vs 8 Sony games.  3 biggest franchises.

P.S. GT is heavily bundled and Halo 4 has yet to recieve a bundle

https://www.google.com/search?q=Halo+4&aq=f&oq=Halo+4&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&gs_rn=14&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=-mXkiiEIts4sTx2ZwdEX1A&pq=halo%204&cp=13&gs_id=u&xhr=t&q=Halo%204%20xbox%20bundle&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Halo+4+xbox+b&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.dmQ&fp=e16b3377a0a5d434&biw=1920&bih=979

 

halo 4 has been bundled.

Limited edition bundle for $400.  This is aimed for fans who are buying Halo 4.  You are paying extra for this console.  You know this though which makes me wonder why you brought that up.

you said has yet to recieve a bundle and it is still a bundle technically.

When people bring up bundles as a negative they are talking about a console that you get for the same price as you usually do with 1 or 2 free games.  

Once again you know this and makes me wonder why you bring it up.  However I do expect Halo 4 to be bundled this holiday.  Halo 4 is very likely to reach near 10m by the end of 2013.




       

Mr Puggsly on 19 May 2013
Turkish said:

So 8 Halo games sold as much as 4 GT games, looks like GT is more successful. Imagine if it was as heavy bundled as Halo though, GT wouldve sold way more.

I don't think this guy knows we're in a world where the GT series has been massively bundled.



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Turkish said:

So 8 Halo games sold as much as 4 GT games, looks like GT is more successful. Imagine if it was as heavy bundled as Halo though, GT wouldve sold way more.

I don't think this guy knows we're in a world where the GT series has been massively bundled.

Maybe in Turkey GT 5 wasn't bundled with a PS3. But where you live and certainly where I live, there have a lot of bundles with GT 5. 



    

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Dr.Grass on 19 May 2013

don't like how you used "xbox fanboy".

That would squarely make you a "ps fanboy".

Anyway, which franchise would I rather have if I manufactured a console?

Dunno. Super close. Proabably GT. Halo will get more and more stale through the years. GT has always been stale - seems people like it.



Rpruett on 19 May 2013
Jay520 said:

uhh...so do you agree about profit or what?

I said current audience size. You can talk about "potential" audience size if you want, but I've rarely ever heard anyone use that to determine how big a game is.

Besides, GT's audience size has been relatively stagnant for the past fifteen years, while Halo has been rising. If anything, GT has reached market saturation, while Halo has more potential to grow. 

If your definition of "bigger" means "more significant to Microsoft/Sony", then yes, Halo is bigger. But that's a poor argument....the OP isn't asking which is more important for it's relative publisher.


I'm saying we aren't sure what is more profitable at this juncture.  Way too many variables to include.  I would argue the *success* of Halo has pushed Microsoft further down the console path than ever before,  while they've reaped some profits, they've netted a lot of loss overall.   With a minimal marketing campaign,  Gran Turismo in one development cycle essentially released two games for around 15 million in sales (This generation).  I would imagine Halo has been more profitable,  but they spend quite a bit on advertising for the game.  

Potential audience size is essential if you're talking about the strength of a game.  Halo is on the console with the strongest hardcore North American audience in a genre that is the strongest genre within the North American market. The problem is, the market begins and ends in the USA and UK.   Essentially,  unless Xbox 720 has a PS2-esque generation the Halo namesake literally won't grow much more.  (Unless the rest of the world magically turns into a bunch of FPS loving markets).   Gran Turismo is quite the opposite, it receives solid sales across the globe.  Even in markets with mediocre interest in the genre, with somewhat limited hardware sales.    In otherwords,  Gran Turismo reaches more people of all angles and avenues and locations.  Halo on the other hand caters to a very specific hardcore following in one location.

I think Halo has had a decreasing audience in recent years to be honest.   Halo 3 has almost 12 million in sales and has seen nothing but a fall of in sales in other iterations of the series.  While I believe that's not a sign of 'doom' persay.  It's simply the realization that the IP has been whored out enough that people won't buy it 'just because' anymore.    Halo only has the potential to grow if you assume that the rest of world will fall in line with the FPS craze or if you believe that the NextBox will cleanly dominate the console race next generation (I don't think that one bit).

The OP is asking for bigger 1st party exclusive.  It's a simple question,  to Microsoft and Microsoft fans it is Halo and it's not even a question.  It's like a Nintendo system not having a Mario IP.  It's that important to MS and their fanbase.  On Playstation,  I don't see that type of 'must have'  craze amongst Playstation fans for Gran Turismo.   Maybe it's the genre, or where I personally reside,  or that Playstation usually relies on a large library of quality exclusives versus a handful of 'Big Hitters'?

On the contrary,  Halo most certainly isn't a bigger first party title as of yet and there is a variety of metrics that we could go through to identify that.