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walsufnir on 15 May 2013
g911turbo said:
walsufnir said:
g911turbo said:
walsufnir said:
BlkPaladin said:
We had a thread here that had the rumored specs at the begining of year and the next Xbox had always been rumored to have 8GB of RAM (Though DRAM not DDR)


What?  DDR-RAM is DRAM.


I think he meant ddr3 vs gddr5


I hope he meant ddr vs gddr5 ;)


Not unless he's living 10 years in the past lol.  DDR3 is the 3rd iteration of "DDR".  DDR 1, 2, and now 3. ... Alas, I'm guessing I missed a joke here so apologize if you were not being serious.

I missed a "3", yes. But yes, I know about the technical details.



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maximrace on 15 May 2013

Probably won't be true but I am excited to see the next xbox specs



VGKing on 15 May 2013
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
This is actually kinda sad.

I'll tell you why this "rumor" is false.....ESRAM. Leaks point to the console having ESRAM to make up for the low bandwidth of DDR3. You can't just go from DDR3 to GDDR5 without completely redesigning the console.


This is not really a proof. This can be wrong as well as DDR3. Either both things are right or both things are wrong.

It comes from a reputable source, the same one who game us PS4 specs.


Still saying GDDR5 is out because of ESRAM is wrong. Either both DDR3 *and* ESRAM is wrong or both are true.

Why would you use ESRAM if you have 8GB of GDDR5? It's completely unnecessary.

The presence of ESRAM would in a way confirm that the console is using DDR3. The whole point of ESRAM is to increase bandwidth, something that would be completely unnecessary combined with GDDR5. Besides, we've all seen what's happening with Xbox 360, it is very app-focused and DDR3 is best suited for that.


You are still not getting what I wanted to say but it's ok now. We will have to wait another 7 days, arguing is useless by now.

Btw, if NextBox is app-focused we will also have to see. MS just chose DDR3 for a reason - this can be apps or they actually thought it would fit to the requirements they engineered for their next gaming-box. Perhaps we will never know. And you don't have to repeat over and over that ESRAM is not needed if you use GDDR5 - it would be useless in PS4 but this doesn't mean you will never need it with a system with GDDR5-RAM. It all depends on how the *system* as a whole works.

Why would you need ESRAM in a system with such high bandwidth?

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GDDR5 is best suited for games. If Sony, in their current financial state, can manage to put 8GB of GDDR5, I don't see why MS couldn't. So obviously cost isn't an issue here. Maybe it depends on how talented their engineers are or they think DDR3 is best suited for their plans.(app-focused OS like Windows 8)

"Why would you need ESRAM in a system with such high bandwidth?"

Why do we still have caches? Because the path to ram is still slow. It depends on how you would use ESRAM (or EDRAM). It could function as a low-latency cache.

The other part:

Sony and MS were planning their consoles years ago. They had a goal to achieve, also performance-wise. They are, of course, both in talk with devs. So they had own and external requirements and knew how much power they had to achieve and built their systems accordingly. Now we have one system with GDDR5 and one with DDR3, that's it. There is nothing more to it and nothing less. Comparing raw data, GDDR5 has higher bandwidth but this doesn't mean the whole system is necessarily faster because we don't know the architectural changes MS did when designing NextBox.

 

I never said that GDDR5 ram would make the PS4 the faster system. If anything, it would probably make it the slowest one. That's the only advantage that DDR3 has, lower latency. Perfect for general purpose computing.



sales2099 on 15 May 2013

Seriously, people actually care about this? Who the hell cared about Dance Dance Revolution ram before these rumors came out?

I mean, when the Cell was introduced, the myths of its power translated into equal fan praise. But now this just seems pointless.



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thismeintiel on 15 May 2013

I'm calling BS on this one. None of the rumors have had in the past (from sources proven correct about their PS4 specs) have suggested MS having GDDR5 to begin with. It was DDR3 and ESRAM.

There is 1 of 2 possibilities here. This guy is full of shit and just wanted some attention. Or this guy is an insider, MS switched over to GDDR5 to match the PS4, and he is just saying this to make it look like this was the plan all along. I'm thinking the first, but the latter could explain why MS delayed their reveal. Of course, that was also explained by an insider saying MS was behind schedule on game development for the NeXbox.



 

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J_Allard on 15 May 2013

lol if this were true, why would a Blizzard artist care about making MS look good by lying about when MS implemented 8GB GDDR5?



g911turbo on 15 May 2013

One thing is for sure, if both Sony and M use GDDR5 on their next gen systems, it is going to drive the market price of GDDR5 down in the longer run. Might see a slight spike in the short term as all allocation goes to those two!



walsufnir on 16 May 2013
g911turbo said:
One thing is for sure, if both Sony and M use GDDR5 on their next gen systems, it is going to drive the market price of GDDR5 down in the longer run. Might see a slight spike in the short term as all allocation goes to those two!


Eh, you do know that GDDR5 is currently used by a huge number of graphics card and that Sony and MS will not order hundreds of million of these chips?



Kasz216 on 16 May 2013

Such a thing would explain why devs were so on Sony's ass to change. They wouldn't want there 3rd party games to be held back.



DieAppleDie on 16 May 2013

OHHHH!!!
what are you gonna say now Sony fans?!?
take this!!!

just joking xD