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Vena on 24 July 2016
BlowoverKing said:
Man, I remember after how successful the original Toukiden was I thought the second game would be huge. Fast forward 3 years and it's sad what they decided to do with the IP.                                     

The series was mismanaged. They should have focused on the Vita and build on the strengths of what makes these hunter games popular, instead they tried to tap the nonexistant market of hunting game fans on home consoles and underpresented the Vita version of the game.

Also the west didn't give two shits about the first game.



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Roketan on 24 July 2016
Vena said:
BlowoverKing said:
Man, I remember after how successful the original Toukiden was I thought the second game would be huge. Fast forward 3 years and it's sad what they decided to do with the IP.                                     

The series was mismanaged. They should have focused on the Vita and build on the strengths of what makes these hunter games popular, instead they tried to tap the nonexistant market of hunting game fans on home consoles and underpresented the Vita version of the game.

Also the west didn't give two shits about the first game.

You talk like they treated Toukiden 2 as a PS4 exclusive when clearly this is not the case. Just because they showed the PS4 version first this doesn't mean that they wanted to transfer the fanbase. Otherwise there wouldn't be a PS3 version. God Eater 2 Rage Burst and God Eater Ressurection was showcased with the PS4 version yet both titles managed to do great and the Vita version still selling more. GE2RB sold 500k on Japan and Asia and GER sold 300k on Japan and Asia. And why are you mentioning west in a thread where we discuss japanese sales? What west has to do with Toukiden's 2 reception? To me it seems you are trying too hard to doom and gloo the game and the PS4/VITA combo. I wouldn't be surprised if you tell us next that the game should be on 3DS instead or Toukiden 3 should come to NX...

So no PS4 didn't killed Toukiden 2. It would be Koei's fault if Toukiden 2 underperforms. They should have released the game sooner when the iron was still hot and not 2 years after Kiwami. They shouldn't have released a demo that was running so bad and they should have marketed the game better, like playing the ''first open world hunting game'' or something.



Keybladewielder on 24 July 2016

Oh yaaaaassss amazing day for persona 5



Jranation on 24 July 2016

 

Roketan said:
Jranation said:
FFXV and that Tales game sure slayed in the weekend!!!!

Was expecting more for all the games during a Saturday..........

Why do you want FFXV and ToB underperform? Seriously you are the only one making ironic mentions eveyrtime these games fail to get points. It would be one thing to comment but the way you talk seems like you are happy these two games aren't doing so hot... On a second thought, you are doing that for every Playstation game...

Maybe because these games aren't coming on a Nintendo system? Please try to leave your company preference out of this thread. We don't need system wars here.

I was being sarcastic. All the games got 1 point unlike Tales. While I expected more for a Saturday with FFXV and basically nearly all the other games as well.  Especially the ones that are nearly coming out! 



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Kerotan on 24 July 2016
Vena said:
BlowoverKing said:
Man, I remember after how successful the original Toukiden was I thought the second game would be huge. Fast forward 3 years and it's sad what they decided to do with the IP.                                     

The series was mismanaged. They should have focused on the Vita and build on the strengths of what makes these hunter games popular, instead they tried to tap the nonexistant market of hunting game fans on home consoles and underpresented the Vita version of the game.

Also the west didn't give two shits about the first game.

Lol you think it would do amazing on vita only?  Barely any games do big numbers on vita in Japan. 



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ZODIARKrebirth on 24 July 2016

Strong day for persona



Romangelo on 24 July 2016

Isn't it irony that SE believes that JRPG can't sell anymore but a Tales game is selling more than their WRPG FF?



Roketan on 24 July 2016
Romangelo said:
Isn't it irony that SE believes that JRPG can't sell anymore but a Tales game is selling more than their WRPG FF?

When did SE said that ''JRPG can't sell anymore''? If they said that then why they are making DQ11, FFVIIR, FFXV, NIER, KH3?



Kresnik on 24 July 2016
Kerotan said:

Lol you think it would do amazing on vita only?  Barely any games do big numbers on vita in Japan. 

What?  So far Vita in Japan has had 4 games this year selling 200k+ (DQB; DQH; Minecraft; KanColle) and a further 3 games selling 100k+ (Attack on Titan; Gundam; Jikkyou).  I'd hardly call that 'barely any games'.

It's looking like neither version of Toukiden is going to reach 100k at this rate, too (I'm assuming the PS3 version will be DOA).

(For comparison, PS4 has had 2 games selling 200k+ (Dark Souls; DQH) and 7 at 100k+ (The Division; DQH; Jikkyou; Overwatch; Star Ocean; Uncharted; Yakuza)).

Roketan said:

You talk like they treated Toukiden 2 as a PS4 exclusive when clearly this is not the case. Just because they showed the PS4 version first this doesn't mean that they wanted to transfer the fanbase. Otherwise there wouldn't be a PS3 version. 

 If anything that shows they do want to transfer the fanbase, they're going out of their way to make a second home console version to try and get every HC owner they can to give the series a try.

Roketan said:

God Eater 2 Rage Burst and God Eater Ressurection was showcased with the PS4 version yet both titles managed to do great and the Vita version still selling more. GE2RB sold 500k on Japan and Asia and GER sold 300k on Japan and Asia. 

Again, this just highlights the point further.  God Eater has kept its original design - small arenas, designed around ad-hoc play and most importantly - clearly optimized on the handheld.  I can't find a source for that 500k figure, but God Eater 2 shipped 700k across Vita/PSP, so the decline is about average for expanded version + PSP dying out by the time Rage Burst released.  Compare that to Toukiden, which is looking to go 470k - 200k (expanded release) - < 200k (sequel) and you can see why it's such a mis-fire.

Roketan said:

And why are you mentioning west in a thread where we discuss japanese sales? What west has to do with Toukiden's 2 reception? 

The point with mentioning the west is the 'open-world' aspect is clearly a play to western audiences, so if the game under-performs in Japan, Koei-Tecmo will be betting on the west to pull up the numbers.  While I certainly hope western performance will be better, past data shows us it's not something they should really be betting on.

Roketan said:

They should have released the game sooner when the iron was still hot and not 2 years after Kiwami.

Don't agree with this either.  2 years is a very reasonable gap to give the series some rest, the franchise doesn't need to be yearly.  Plus if they released in 2015 they'd be up against God Eater 2/Resurrection and Monster Hunter X - as it stands they've got 2016 to themselves with hunting games.



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Roketan on 24 July 2016
Kresnik said:

 If anything that shows they do want to transfer the fanbase, they're going out of their way to make a second home console version to try and get every HC owner they can to give the series a try.

Nope. They are just showing the version with the best graphics. In case you didn't noticed every game from which we see a trailer or gameplay footage runs on the best system. Simply logic.

Again, this just highlights the point further.  God Eater has kept its original design - small arenas, designed around ad-hoc play and most importantly - clearly optimized on the handheld.  I can't find a source for that 500k figure, but God Eater 2 shipped 700k across Vita/PSP, so the decline is about average for expanded version + PSP dying out by the time Rage Burst released.  Compare that to Toukiden, which is looking to go 470k - 200k (expanded release) - < 200k (sequel) and you can see why it's such a mis-fire.

How does this highlights his point. With your logic games shouldn't evolve. Graphics should remain 2D and sprites. If you played MH from the first game till X you will notice big differences like every other game. KOEI just made a big jump. Let's first see how the game plays. As for the 500k figure. Sony gave the game the Gold Award at Playstation awards. The Gold award is given to games that manage to sell more than 500k in Japan and Asia.

http://gematsu.com/2015/12/playstation-awards-2015-winners-announced

The point with mentioning the west is the 'open-world' aspect is clearly a play to western audiences, so if the game under-performs in Japan, Koei-Tecmo will be betting on the west to pull up the numbers.  While I certainly hope western performance will be better, past data shows us it's not something they should really be betting on.

I don't agree with this. Open-world games are becoming very popular in Japan. TW3, GTAV, Just Cause 3 etc. I doubt that KOEI choosed the open world aspect only with the west in mind.

Don't agree with this either.  2 years is a very reasonable gap to give the series some rest, the franchise doesn't need to be yearly.  Plus if they released in 2015 they'd be up against God Eater 2/Resurrection and Monster Hunter X - as it stands they've got 2016 to themselves with hunting games

I don'y agree with this either. I believe that game should come out sooner. I guess we agree that we disagree :)