I'm not biased what I have said about indie games on XBL is 100% true.  Also the best selling XBL arcade game of all time Minecraft is a indie game.

So when exactly was the last time you been on XBL if you don't believe what has been said look for yourselve.

These Indie developers have become way too vocal even though very few people play Indie games with a few exceptions like Minecraft. Still, this isn't the first time they have complained against MS so MS must be giving them a hard time.

There can be millions of games on XBL for all I care. That doesn't prove anybody wrong. It is not like there are hundreds of better options and developers insist on XBL. It is just where the money is, regardless of the way MS treat indie game developers.

As a matter of fact there are tons of indie games on XBL the developers that complain are the ones that can't compete with all the other indie games on XBL.

OK, Mr. insider.

I'm just stating the obvious here.  Cliffy B has been saying a lot of stupid stuff latlely but since his brother is a sports blogger he is not the only one in the family that says a lot of stupid stuff.

Not to be "that guy", because Sony cratering to the indies is great since most triple A titles that isn't Call of Duty or Halo are going to disappear sooner or later, but I do get a little annoyed that Nintendo isn't being praise for their effort to the indie market.

Already their a tone of indies games that been announce for the Wii U and no one doesn't seem to acknowledge it. Either way, I look forward to see what the indies and new smaller dev groups bring to the table. With the Ouya releasing next month, this is going to be quite interesting. Hope Microsoft make it easier to indies to port their games. People are going goo goo ga ga over graphics but it won't be enough to move the industry forward.

Thanks you!

This basically ends the thread. But there will always be those who pretend they know better. Bias and fanboyism oblige.

Yup, pretty sure SMB and Braid sold almost nothing.