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walsufnir on 12 April 2013
ethomaz said:
drkohler said:
ethomaz said:

You turn on your console and the play start to play withou boot or anything... without read the game from the BD... just resume from you turned off the console... it is a offline Stand By feature like the Notebooks do with Windows, Linux, etc... all the game data stay in the memory to instant play after the power on.

What??????

When you turn off your PC/XBox/PS3/PS4/NextBox, the game (or whatever you did) is completely gone within a few dozen milliseconds. Or are you suggesting that the next consoles have sdd cards that magically cache everything you are doing and magically yell "Lazarus" whenever you kick the power button?

"Turn off" = Cut power = end of session

"Disconnect" = Cut LAN connection = you may be able to continue depending on what you were doing

Allt this "Play instantly while (down)-loading the game" is jusst pr talk. Technically impossible. You will ALWAYS need time to set up the system (when you do it in a clever way, it may only take a few seconds)

And can we please stop this "bd is faster than hd" nonsense discussion?

The PS4 main system is tuned off but the ARM is on and mantain the last save state in the main memory (so the memory receive little power like the Stand By in notebooks).

PS4 turn off didn't really turn off the system... you can just do that removing the system from the power supply... even the PS3 never really turn off... that is the reason you can just press the button in PS3 controller to turn it on... my TV stay in the Standy By mode too... I think every eletronic never turno off today (the led is always on to receive input from the controllers).

The amig about the Gakai and play the game while download I don't know but both PS4 and Nextbox have this feature.

Nextbox, too? Are you sure? Where do you get this from? Totally new to me and I really don't know how they want to accomplish this because they don't have the technology.



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ethomaz on 12 April 2013

walsufnir said:

Nextbox, too? Are you sure? Where do you get this from? Totally new to me and I really don't know how they want to accomplish this because they don't have the technology.

It is not from the internet like PS4 but it is the same ideia. Every game run from HDD in Nextbox and the install happen while you play the game... I don't know how that happen... maybe run from the BD while install a little and after run from HDD while install the rest of the game... for PS4 stream the game while install the base... so after it run from the HDD while install the full game... I don't know.

This picture shows the Nextbox will start the last game you played instantly without need to boot the game again... it will always use the minimal eletricity to do that.

The PS4 and Nextbox feature are similar...



ethomaz on 12 April 2013

That is what I think the "Always On, Always Connected" means.

The PS3 ARM is suppose to hold the internet connect alive too to receive a signal to Remote Play... then the console start to play the game (the full system turns on) and to stream to Vita from the Internet.



walsufnir on 12 April 2013
ethomaz said:

walsufnir said:

Nextbox, too? Are you sure? Where do you get this from? Totally new to me and I really don't know how they want to accomplish this because they don't have the technology.

It is not from the internet like PS4 but it is the same ideia. Every game run from HDD in Nextbox and the install happen while you play the game... I don't know how that happen... maybe run from the BD while install a little and after run from HDD while install the rest of the game... for PS4 stream the game while install the base... so after it run from the HDD while install the full game... I don't know.

This picture shows the Nextbox will start the last game you played instantly without need to boot the game again... it will always use the minimal eletricity to do that.

The PS4 and Nextbox feature are similar...


Ah, that's what you meant. Yes, I remember that picture and was surprised to read this. I am totally happy that optical disc-drives finally get more and more useless :)



theprof00 on 12 April 2013
ethomaz said:

walsufnir said:

Nextbox, too? Are you sure? Where do you get this from? Totally new to me and I really don't know how they want to accomplish this because they don't have the technology.

It is not from the internet like PS4 but it is the same ideia. Every game run from HDD in Nextbox and the install happen while you play the game... I don't know how that happen... maybe run from the BD while install a little and after run from HDD while install the rest of the game... for PS4 stream the game while install the base... so after it run from the HDD while install the full game... I don't know.

This picture shows the Nextbox will start the last game you played instantly without need to boot the game again... it will always use the minimal eletricity to do that.

The PS4 and Nextbox feature are similar...

 

If it runs from the ROM, then that is going to leave the door wide open for hacking, because all hackers will have to do is convince the system that nothing has been installed. For example, routing to a 1gb usb stick which would then return that this is a new game.

I can't see it working like that, unless the always online connection does indeed check for this.



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ethomaz on 12 April 2013

theprof00 said:

If it runs from the ROM, then that is going to leave the door wide open for hacking, because all hackers will have to do is convince the system that nothing has been installed. For example, routing to a 1gb usb stick which would then return that this is a new game.

I can't see it working like that, unless the always online connection does indeed check for this.

The PS4 run from the ROM and no hack can make the system accept a custom firmware on BD-ROM like the harkers did with 360... I think we will never saw this security issue in consoles again.

The 360 had this secutiry issue but I'm sure Nextbox will not.



theprof00 on 12 April 2013
ethomaz said:

theprof00 said:

If it runs from the ROM, then that is going to leave the door wide open for hacking, because all hackers will have to do is convince the system that nothing has been installed. For example, routing to a 1gb usb stick which would then return that this is a new game.

I can't see it working like that, unless the always online connection does indeed check for this.

The PS4 run from the ROM and no hack can make the system accept a custom firmware on BD-ROM like the harkers did with 360... I think we will never saw this security issue in consoles again.

The 360 had this secutiry issue but I'm sure Nextbox will not.

it's not firmware, it's hardware.



ethomaz on 12 April 2013

theprof00 said:

it's not firmware, it's hardware.

The 360 hack is made by firmware... in any case there is no way you can make the system accept another hardware without hack the system.

I think I'm not getting what are yout talking about



SxyxS on 12 April 2013
theprof00 said:
SxyxS said:
6gb should be enough /2gb for the system

more important is a smart loading management and streaming.
loading 7gb would need more than 5 minutes:
once fully loaded the advantage should be:no more loading times while entering buildings like in lego city

Likely 7GB will completely eliminate load times. With so much RAM available, 3GB can be used for the current area, and the rest dedicated to storing nearby area information...ie, loading while playing

yes-exept the start loading of a game.with 3gb ,efficient streaming and the intelligent use of the remaining 4gb( comming cutscenes,menue,inventory,map,etc)should eliminate loading times.
there'll be no more loading times (as long as you don't change the game disc and instant game works as good as on vita)

 

i remember midnight run has a great data management on ps3(open world racer,but you can shift from almost any point to another in the city without loading times.



theprof00 on 12 April 2013
ethomaz said:

theprof00 said:

it's not firmware, it's hardware.

The 360 hack is made by firmware... in any case there is no way you can make the system accept another hardware without hack the system.

I think I'm not getting what are yout talking about

perhaps I'm the one who's wrong.