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Adinnieken on 08 April 2013

Both the next Xbox and the PS4 will be "Always On". "Always On" is in reference to low-power states. Both devices will be able to at least go into a stand-by mode, so users can quickly resume activities such as gaming.

DRM on the next Xbox does not require an Internet connection.

As Paul Thurrot explained, the Metro applications on Windows 8 require a connection because the applications are live, actively updated applications. Xbox 8 will fundamentally operate in the same way. You may have some off-line functionality, but the majority of the experience with the next Xbox will benefit from an Internet connection.

This isn't even any different from the Xbox 360. The console defaults to automatically signing an individual in, whereby all the content available to the user and the application functionality changes. Don't sign into Xbox LIVE with the Xbox 360 and see what content you have available to you. Essentially none, except disc & Xbox LIVE Arcade games, and local media.

The problem is that people keep interchanging "always on" with a network connectivity state. It isn't. "Always Connected" and that is the desired state. You can turn an Xbox 8 off, it doesn't have to be maintained in a low power state, but the ideal experience would be "Always On". Likewise, an Xbox 8 can be used off-line, but the ideal state would be online.

Again, the vast majority of Xbox 360 consoles are connected devices. There are two groups that this impacts the most, 360 owners without available or reliable broadband Internet, and software pirates. Something makes me think that software pirates are the most vocal group in this matter, second only to PS3 fans.



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gooch_destroyer on 08 April 2013
Somini said:
gooch_destroyer said:
Is it going to be the third console curse for MS?


It sure seems like it.


Yeah thought. It happen to Sony(ps3) Nintendo(N64?) and Sega (DreamCast). It'll hit Mircosoft too.



Somini on 08 April 2013
Adinnieken said:
Both the next Xbox and the PS4 will be "Always On". "Always On" is in reference to low-power states. Both devices will be able to at least go into a stand-by mode, so users can quickly resume activities such as gaming.

DRM on the next Xbox does not require an Internet connection.

As Paul Thurrot explained, the Metro applications on Windows 8 require a connection because the applications are live, actively updated applications. Xbox 8 will fundamentally operate in the same way. You may have some off-line functionality, but the majority of the experience with the next Xbox will benefit from an Internet connection.

This isn't even any different from the Xbox 360. The console defaults to automatically signing an individual in, whereby all the content available to the user and the application functionality changes. Don't sign into Xbox LIVE with the Xbox 360 and see what content you have available to you. Essentially none, except disc & Xbox LIVE Arcade games, and local media.

The problem is that people keep interchanging "always on" with a network connectivity state. It isn't. "Always Connected" and that is the desired state. You can turn an Xbox 8 off, it doesn't have to be maintained in a low power state, but the ideal experience would be "Always On". Likewise, an Xbox 8 can be used off-line, but the ideal state would be online.

Again, the vast majority of Xbox 360 consoles are connected devices. There are two groups that this impacts the most, 360 owners without available or reliable broadband Internet, and software pirates. Something makes me think that software pirates are the most vocal group in this matter, second only to PS3 fans.


One of those can function without being online. That is the difference you're choosing to ignore.



Somini on 08 April 2013
kowenicki said:
Somini said:
gooch_destroyer said:
Is it going to be the third console curse for MS?


It sure seems like it.


There you go again.  How many times do you need to keep saying this and writing off the 720 on this forum based purely on rumour?

You saying it doesnt make it more likely you know.  Why cant you just wait and see?

If only you followed your own 'advise' i would've been more inclined to listen to what you're saying.



SENTIENT6 on 08 April 2013
kowenicki said:
kitler53 said:
i love how different this thread reads from the one that was posted yesterday concerning the exact same quote.


Yeah, because this one has the conclusion and is not a simple troll atempt. 

The other was rightly locked. 

This guy has sensibly summed up the situation in a perfectly reasonable way to me.


LMAo no, i see more xbox fans decrying the next xbox everywhere, Ps4 fans dont really care they Are excited for PS4.



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gooch_destroyer on 08 April 2013
kowenicki said:
Somini said:
gooch_destroyer said:
Is it going to be the third console curse for MS?


It sure seems like it.


There you go again.  How many times do you need to keep saying this and writing off the 720 on this forum based purely on rumour?

You saying it doesnt make it more likely you know.  Why cant you just wait and see?

Don't defend it. If a rumor like this keeps coming out, people will assume that it is true about the "XBOX".



SENTIENT6 on 08 April 2013
kowenicki said:
SENTIENT6 said:
kowenicki said:
kitler53 said:
i love how different this thread reads from the one that was posted yesterday concerning the exact same quote.


Yeah, because this one has the conclusion and is not a simple troll atempt. 

The other was rightly locked. 

This guy has sensibly summed up the situation in a perfectly reasonable way to me.


LMAo no, i see more xbox fans decrying the next xbox everywhere, Ps4 fans dont really care they Are excited for PS4.

then can i suggest reading glasses.

Yeah because that's relevant.



Somini on 08 April 2013
kowenicki said:
SENTIENT6 said:
kowenicki said:
kitler53 said:
i love how different this thread reads from the one that was posted yesterday concerning the exact same quote.


Yeah, because this one has the conclusion and is not a simple troll atempt. 

The other was rightly locked. 

This guy has sensibly summed up the situation in a perfectly reasonable way to me.


LMAo no, i see more xbox fans decrying the next xbox everywhere, Ps4 fans dont really care they Are excited for PS4.

then can i suggest reading glasses.

What about the ones who are blind, out of extreme loyalty? Do you have a solution for those?



J_Allard on 08 April 2013

So even this guy far removed from console wars and gaming forums, can see it's Sony guys making the biggest fuss about this. Interesting.



SENTIENT6 on 08 April 2013
kowenicki said:
SENTIENT6 said:
kowenicki said:
SENTIENT6 said:
kowenicki said:
kitler53 said:
i love how different this thread reads from the one that was posted yesterday concerning the exact same quote.


Yeah, because this one has the conclusion and is not a simple troll atempt. 

The other was rightly locked. 

This guy has sensibly summed up the situation in a perfectly reasonable way to me.


LMAo no, i see more xbox fans decrying the next xbox everywhere, Ps4 fans dont really care they Are excited for PS4.

then can i suggest reading glasses.

Yeah because that's relevant.


There have been a shed load of threads declaring doom for the nextbox based on these rumours... the VAST majority are from sony fans.  Its simply a fact. 


No it is not fact. go to IGN, gamespot, CVG, any video game forum, I see most xbox gamers saying if the rumours are true, they wont buy the next xbox.. You see what you want only. Some sony fans sure, but a lot of xbox fans also.