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ethomaz on 03 April 2013

hasonap said:

If MS announce a console which does not have the specs rumored(CPU and GPU numbers) I win and vice versa applies for me. Do we have a deal on that?

Yeap



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slowmo on 03 April 2013

The meltdowns on this site are going to be delicious in May.



Machiavellian on 03 April 2013
Daisuke72 said:
Machiavellian said:
Daisuke72 said:
lol @ dude reaching for the Nextbox to have something more powerful than a 7970. Something more powerful than a $400 GPU that consumes a ton of energy and space. They're gonna somehow put a more powerful GPU in a console, and sell it for $400 - $500. They also have to account for the new Kinect, controllers, processor, RAM, Mobo, and etc. and yet their Video Card will be around, if not more than $250 - $300 after discounts.


Actually I do not care if Durango has a 7970 GPU, what I have a problem with is people who never take the time to actually research anything but blindly go by what someone tells them on the net.  I do not expect anyone to actually have followed the links I provided or actually try to see if VGleaks data could be incorrect.  Instead I expect people like you to make a comment, happy in ignorance or the inability to refute what I claimed and feel proud of your comment.

Instead of using the fanboy method to refute what I stated, actually show me where I am wrong or show me why VGleaks data is correct instead.  Give examples, show links, find facts things like that.  If you cannot do those things then your comment goes on the endless pile of people who make comments that do not know anything about what they are talking about.

I actually made this post to see if anyone can actually refute what I found because I could not.


"That do not know anything about what they are talking about." is supposed to "That doesn't know anything about what they're talking about." Just thought I'd point that out, cause it's ironic. 

 

Anyways, it's not a fanboy comment. It's simply called common sense, however, apparently since some people lack it, suddenly it's not common anymore. So I'll just say that logically Microsoft couldn't afford to put a $400 GPU in a console, that would cause heat problems, and consume a ton of power and would be loud as hell, and price it competitively, unless the rest of its components were shit. Even if they were, the console will still cost around $600 and that's with a few hundreds of dollars lost, and we all saw how that worked out for Sony.

 

In short, stop fantasizing. 

Actually its only common sense for lack of information. If you were saying that Sony could not afford to put a 400 GPU which of course would not cost MS anywhere close to that money in the next xbox that would be common sense. No one knows but MS what they can afford or how they plan to build the next box even so, my statements are more about leaks and how they can all be based on incorrect data but people seem to believe what they want.  I am not fantasizing about the greatness of the next box, I am just getting tired of people picking their own leak and stating it as fact.  I have shone that VGleaks does not know what they are talking about or that they might not even be correct on the Durango specs.  I am still waiting on someone to confirm or deny those findings.



raf40928 on 03 April 2013

Sony needs to worry about not launching too exspensive..



Blood_Tears on 03 April 2013
slowmo said:
The meltdowns on this site are going to be delicious in May.


Tagging comment for then..



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drkohler on 03 April 2013
raf40928 said:
..because you have 2 consoles with almost the same GPU specs - both x86 architecture

Change every "gpu" into "cpu" and every "cpu" into "gpu" so your contribution makes some sense...



raf40928 on 03 April 2013

Both the Xbox and PS4 have basically the same GPU.. X86 games rely most heavily on the GPU. The PS4 ( reportedly ) has a slightly more powerful CPU ( especially once you consider some of those extra cores on the PS4 are supposedly locked down for other functions -  the GPU only needs so much CPU for the GPU to hit max performance - IE, Max frames and polygons  ) ..Both system have more then enough CPU to hit max GPU performance. Just 8 years ago you needed the best CPU to max out the best GPU - but the CPU world got competitive and CPU's started coming out alot more often.  CPU's are no longer 'behind' GPU's like they were a decade ago.  Now an 'above average' CPU will power the best GPU - unlike 10 years ago when CPU's got nominal ( slight ) performance increases every 6 months.  In todays world many higher-mid range CPU's have more then ample power to play the best games - and choices are broad and fairly cheap compared to 10 years ago when 'near' the top end processor was easily 600 dollar by itself.

The PS3 has a more powerful CPU, but it didn't really matter. Sony needs to worry about launching the PS4 at a cost near the Xbox - which last generation they didn't and it hurt them financially big time. Sony sold their NY headquarters for 1 billion to help raise cash in 2012 and most of us are aware of Sony's financial troubles over the last 4 years.

The problem is all the companies making multi-platform titles ( which seems to be steadily growing ) don't care all that much about making a title look a-lot "prettier" on any ONE console - because frankly it cost too much when they can just put out the same product and maximize profits. Optimizations for 1 console frankly take more labor - which equals more dollars. They don't care if COD looks better on any one console because all the MANY companies making these multi-platform games AREN'T fully dedicated to MS, Sony, or Nintendo.  

So...What good does it do to have a console that is 12% more powerful ( overall ) if no one actually spends the money to make the PS4 or Xbox version actually look visibly different?  I'm here to tell you MOST games simply won't look different.  Sony will have a few exclusives that will highlight the PS4 and M$ will do the same for the Xbox - otherwise ( like this generation ) the majority of the best selling games ( Mostly multiplatform titles ) will continue to look virtually the same on either console.


This generation will see MORE ports then ever. The game quality will be closer then ever because you have 2 consoles with almost the same GPU specs - both x86 architecture! Many ports could be directly from PC. This generation will revive the PC gaming title selection quite a bit, IMHO.


Games on the new Xbox and PS4 will be hard to differentiate and worse they will be ported often. Fortunately because they are actually BOTH x86 this time.. and using basically the same video card - the quality should be very very close



D-Minaj225 on 03 April 2013
Miguel_Zorro said:

I think it'd be good if they had similar specs, and even possibly similar components.  In that case, multiplatform games would be more consistent and bug-free across platforms.  We wouldn't have to worry so much about one console or another getting an inferior port, or in the worst case, a port that's filled with glitches.

In a situation like that, the decision to buy would still come down to the console exclusives and the nuances of the user experience.


yup I agree with this



 

Solid-Stark on 03 April 2013

Judging from the respectable rumors, Ubisoft is probably summing things up by generalizing the average multiplat game.

Current rumors suggest:

PS4 8 Core Jaguar (Confirmed) @ 2.0Ghz vs. X720 8 Core Jaguar @ 1.6Ghz

PS4 8GB GDDR5 (Confirmed) vs X720 8GB DDR3

PS4 1.8 TF Radeon GPU vs. X720 1.2 TF Radeon GPU

X720 to have ESRAM.

A quick and vague, but acceptable, conclusion is PS4 50%-100% ahead of X720 in powah.



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Gaming on: PS4 Pro, Switch, SNES Mini, Wii U, PC (i5-7400, GTX 1060)

VGKing on 03 April 2013
JayWood2010 said:
VGKing said:
JayWood2010 said:
Tabular said:
So... does 50% less GPU performance equal being aligned?


Off this one statement I have a strong feeling you know little about GPU's, CPU's, motherboards, HDD or SSD, or pretty much any other component that goes into a computer or console.  What makes this statement ridiculous is that not only do we not have a clue what GPU the NeXbox is but we don't even know the name of the NeXbox.  Somehow you know though? lol 

So you know the GPU in the PS4 is suppose to be capable of 1.84 tflops and similar to the AMD 7850 which is a midrange PC GPU.  As far as I'm aware not much else is known about the GPU in the PS4 so I doubt you even know the power of the PS4 either let alone the power of the NeXbox.

Welcome to vgchartz btw

@DietSoap  Same goes to you

Well we do have a clue...more than one actually detailing how poweful the GPU in the next Xbox will be. We have a general idea where the GPU lies and sources point to it being weaker than the one in the PS4. . Just because you don't like what you hear, it doesn't make it false. 

Anyway I find it funny how quickly people jumped to compare the specs. It's irrelevant. When Ubisoft says the consoles are similar he's talking about features, not technical specifications. The consoles are similar in that department too, bu there are some pretty big differences.

Not what Im saying.  I honestly dont care which one is more powerful.  PS3 is more powerful than the X360 but it didnt show most of the time.  all im saying is he doesnt know, nor do you what the specs are in the NeXbox.  Until MSFT confirms specs it is dumb to say 50% more powerful.  If they are similar then it will be very little difference, not 50%. Im not going to sit here saying it is weaker or mor powerful.  If they are similar i expect it to be pretty much like this generation where software and services matter.

There's an obvious reason for that. I don't even have to explain it to you. You already know.

The thing is that WE DO KNOW what the specs of the next Xbox are. We do. These are very reliable sources and that got it right with the PS4. There is no reason not to believe this information is 99% accurate save for some change in clock speeds.