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ninjablade said:
Viper1 said:
ninjablade said:

 why does what i think or say get to you guys.

Because all you do is provoke.

If you were more balanced, you're statements would be met with much greater warmth.  Instead, ever post is negative towards Nintendo.  How exactly do you expect people to react towards you?  And I can't even believe I'm even typing this out because you now damn good and well the answer to your own question.


i always say mario and zelda are great, the only thing is i think wiiu will fail in sales and its hardware is on par with current gen, and i stopped posting in most threads about nintendo, there is like 3-4 doom thread every day and i havent even posted in them. i don't post much here like i used to anyway.

And that's supposed to change how everyone perceives you?  You created a reputation for yourself and that stigma will stay with you.  Reducing your posting volume (yet still posting nothing but negative information) isn't going to change that.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

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ninjablade said:
Viper1 said:
ninjablade said:

 why does what i think or say get to you guys.

Because all you do is provoke.

If you were more balanced, you're statements would be met with much greater warmth.  Instead, ever post is negative towards Nintendo.  How exactly do you expect people to react towards you?  And I can't even believe I'm even typing this out because you now damn good and well the answer to your own question.


i always say mario and zelda are great, the only thing is i think wiiu will fail in sales and its hardware is on par with current gen, and i stopped posting in most threads about nintendo, there is like 3-4 doom thread every day and i havent even posted in them. i don't post much here like i used to anyway.

Compared to the kind of BS you spew in February you really are much better now. I still don't agree with about ~90% off the stuff you write, but it at least is in a debatable area now and not completely false. Please keep it on this level :D



KHlover said:
ninjablade said:
Viper1 said:
ninjablade said:

 why does what i think or say get to you guys.

Because all you do is provoke.

If you were more balanced, you're statements would be met with much greater warmth.  Instead, ever post is negative towards Nintendo.  How exactly do you expect people to react towards you?  And I can't even believe I'm even typing this out because you now damn good and well the answer to your own question.


i always say mario and zelda are great, the only thing is i think wiiu will fail in sales and its hardware is on par with current gen, and i stopped posting in most threads about nintendo, there is like 3-4 doom thread every day and i havent even posted in them. i don't post much here like i used to anyway.

Compared to the kind of BS you spew in February you really are much better now. I still don't agree with about ~90% off the stuff you write, but it at least is in a debatable area now and not completely false. Please keep it on this level :D

i will try :P.



ninjablade said:
KHlover said:
ninjablade said:
Viper1 said:
ninjablade said:

 why does what i think or say get to you guys.

Because all you do is provoke.

If you were more balanced, you're statements would be met with much greater warmth.  Instead, ever post is negative towards Nintendo.  How exactly do you expect people to react towards you?  And I can't even believe I'm even typing this out because you now damn good and well the answer to your own question.


i always say mario and zelda are great, the only thing is i think wiiu will fail in sales and its hardware is on par with current gen, and i stopped posting in most threads about nintendo, there is like 3-4 doom thread every day and i havent even posted in them. i don't post much here like i used to anyway.

Compared to the kind of BS you spew in February you really are much better now. I still don't agree with about ~90% off the stuff you write, but it at least is in a debatable area now and not completely false. Please keep it on this level :D

i will try :P.

Good. Looking forward to lots of pointless comparisons once E3 comes around :P



ninjablade said:
oni-link said:
ninjablade said:
timmah said:
ninjablade said:
DieAppleDie said:
ninjablade said:
DieAppleDie said:
WiiU has better framerates during crashes only, it like a 5fps differnce during crashes  and some more crisper textures, as well as more reflections, and thats all, theres no further debate
WiiU version is slightly better
END THREAD

fixed for you. DF doesn't mention any about better lighting, only the tweaks that made during night. which really has nothing to about hardware, it was just an design choice they made.


Enough dude, just watch the comparison video, it seems you missed it

I challenge you, watch the first 40 sec. of the framerate comparison video, let me see if you can notice any differencies.

Your talking about this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf29-F2Nh88 cause 360 has more lighting go ahead and watch it and let me  at what seconds this lighting kick in.

The fact that you think higher gamma means 'more lighting' says a lot about your understanding of the subject. I can't understand why you're on such a bizarre internet campaign to diss the WiiU, why don't you find a positive outlet for your energy, like actually going on boards about your console of choice and saying positive things? Your signature is pure flamebait (not to mention mis-information) anyway, and your only purpose here seems to be to constantly deride Nintendo's hardware... I just don't get it.



the gamma  difference brings out better lighting,  based on the video because that lighting stands out more, thats the only thing i noticed that looked better in the comparison video, along with some textures looking better in the wiiu version during cutscenes but i can post many pics of ps3 vs 360 comparsisons where the 360 version looks much sharper and makes the ps3 version look blurry while need for speed  wiiiu, they look the same with wiiu having a few more high resolution textures that are very hard to notice because of the post processing out put and the 720p out put, and about me putting down i'm not. my sig states, it could be 160sp, and many people think this condering a 320sp pc parts destroys 360/ps3 and a new 160 sp part can stand toe to toe and even beat them in some games. thing is i was bashed on this forum for stating my opinion on what the wiiu will sell and its power, i think its a few memembers that take this too seriously, where just talking about sales, games hardware, what's the problem exactly, why does what i think or say get to you guys.


I'd say ppl have been TOO tolerant with you to be honest.  If I was one of the mods, I woud've permaban you a long, long time ago.  You barely go into any forums except Nintendo ones (from your history) and all you do is diss Nintendo. 


looks at title of thread, cry me a river, some of you guys are hilarious, even in a comparison thread you guys complain, show me anything that i said in this thread that was ban worthy.


Looks at the title.  It's funny b/c DF wasn't needed to prove that the Wii U version is superior to the PS360 version (just like other ports that developers took time to utilize the superior hardware advantages of the Wii U)



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SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
 

Nothing you said changes what i said as beinf true...Spin much? Ps4 and new xbox are not long away, no one cares if wii-u looks slightly better at this point it should.  The fact that it barely does, and still lacks many of the features ps3 and xbox has, no one is impressed.

 

Those pics are stills, im moting you would be hard pressed to even see a difference unless you specifically look for it.

 

Wii-u looks better? OK barely and against 7 year odl ahrdware again what do you expect a prize?

"Ps4 and new xbox are not long away, no one cares if wii-u looks slightly better(than ps360)"
Well  especially PS fans CARE ALOT! What WiiU looks like THATS THE POINT.

"and still lacks many of the features ps3 and xbox has"
You still fail to name what FEATURES WiiU lacks compared to current gen systems. Why dont you go into specifics?  

"no one is impressed."
Just because you or some "experts" say they are not impressed you cant say NOONE is.
I was really impressed with the Zelda HD experience.(AND NO IT WAS NOT A VIDEO the first ever LAST OF US  trailer/teaser was more of a video than this was hence the "captured from a Playstation" and not "ingame graphics" text you know when I record a video of Crysis from my gameboy then its "captrured from a Gameboy")

So again Why was I impressed? Because its a Zelda like I have never seen it before while BF4 for example looks like BF3 with better reflections and better faces but its not really something I have not seen before because other than the HUD most "realistic" games have the "same" artstyle. (and no yellow/green "tint" doesnt change the artstyle it just changes the color of the picture.)

"Wii-u looks better? OK barely"
WIiU can look better END OF STORY  not barely compared to 7 year old hardware and not much better.  Its not the time to say how much better it can look like since no normal person knows it.
Would you say PS360 look a bit better than 3DS since Resident Evil Revelations on PS360 does not look as good as other PS360 games? I dont think so.

Judge the system when the first party titles come out or when third party games come out that at least try to take advantage of the system. (not even need for speed WiiU does it and even the PC version just looks BARELY better than PS360 versions because it still is  ONLY a PS360 game ported to better systems) 
Look at monster hunter 3 ultimate it looks barely better than the Wii game (resolution excluded) and when you now base your "expert knowledge" on this then noone can help you lol.

"what do you expect a prize?"
Why would I want a prize?  For what? When did Nintendo fans ever say they want a prize? They are not the ones mentioning power to show off or the ones in need of constant affirmation so I dont get what you want to say with this lol.

The wii-u is only barely more powerfull the CPU hamstrings the system, and its lack of power is why Unreal 4 and other engiones wont riun on it, that is a big issue foir nintendo, There is nothing hardware wise much above ps3 or 360. A system is only as fast as its slowest part it's gimped CPU really hurts the system.  Nothing else you said is even relevant.

 

PS360 gap is massive between 3ds comapred the the wiiu and 360ps which are about equal, horrid comparison.  Wiiu can look slightly better WOW< amazing, welcome to 2006.

Oh man its like I am talking to my grandmother xD   NEWS FLASH WIIU WILL RUN UNREAL 4!    (no offence the grandmother part was used to describe your somewhat outdated point of view)

And I explained why the WiiU has the CPU it has  because the system is focusing on GPU not CPU.   Cpu's have a much worse performace/price ratio. So it makes sense to have a GPU that does what CPUs usually do.
And how do you even know the actual performance of the WiiU CPU? HINT: My 2009 phone has a 800mhz cpu  my 2004 PC has a 3400MHZ CPU  and my PC is not the faster device!

A system is only as fast as the slowest part that is relevant for what the system is intended to do. 
My DS has a GBA cpu inside  and its not slowed down by this because its not intended to be used in "DS mode"  And WiiU games that will make use of the GPU and that will just let the CPU handle basic stuff wont have a problem at all.   I mean a gas powered car is not useful if you use it without gas (the way it is intended to be used)  same goes for WiiU  its not a useful method to force the system to handle CPU intense tasks because thats not what the system is supposed to do.

Why is the 3ds ps360 example horrible? It is the same logic you apply to WiiU and PS360.  You still dont understand that its not the time for you to judge the WiiUs capabilites because you dont know what it can do. You just know what happens when people port over old games to a new system or when they have low-budget-titles that were made on alpha/beta devkits. Why are you so impatient?

And what does that have anything to do with 2006? WiiU can handle effects PS360 cannot!   

When you think WiiU is basically 2006 hardware would you also agree to this here?:
- 2007's Crysis looks better than any PS360 games in terms of polycount/geometry/textures  etc  Crysis just lacks the fancy light effects and reflections  games like BF3 have.   Killzone on PS4 fixed this so what is the PS4 then?

When you ignore WiiUs "shader effects etc" which PS360 cant handle and say welcome to 2006 then I can ignore what the PS4/nextbox can do since those can to less new stuff compared to WiiU than WiiU can do compared to PS360!

So the conclusion would be:   PS4 FINALLY! has 2007 PC graphics with effects games in 2011 had (again I ignore the PS4 shaders etc. since you also ignore the WiiU ones)  so 2007+2011 / 2 = 2009  WOW WELCOME TO 2009! (PS4 can do what PCs could do in 2009 when PS360 wouldnt have slowed down graphical evolution!  Thanks PS360!!!)


You see how unsmart this line of thinking is?  Again you can not just go and say THIS IS FACT THAT IS FACT when you dont know whats going on. I dont argue that PS4 and nextbox will have better graphics than WiiU  I dont even care lol. I just tell you that the stuff you say makes no sense because you dont get what you are talking about.



JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
 

Nothing you said changes what i said as beinf true...Spin much? Ps4 and new xbox are not long away, no one cares if wii-u looks slightly better at this point it should.  The fact that it barely does, and still lacks many of the features ps3 and xbox has, no one is impressed.

 

Those pics are stills, im moting you would be hard pressed to even see a difference unless you specifically look for it.

 

Wii-u looks better? OK barely and against 7 year odl ahrdware again what do you expect a prize?

"Ps4 and new xbox are not long away, no one cares if wii-u looks slightly better(than ps360)"
Well  especially PS fans CARE ALOT! What WiiU looks like THATS THE POINT.

"and still lacks many of the features ps3 and xbox has"
You still fail to name what FEATURES WiiU lacks compared to current gen systems. Why dont you go into specifics?  

"no one is impressed."
Just because you or some "experts" say they are not impressed you cant say NOONE is.
I was really impressed with the Zelda HD experience.(AND NO IT WAS NOT A VIDEO the first ever LAST OF US  trailer/teaser was more of a video than this was hence the "captured from a Playstation" and not "ingame graphics" text you know when I record a video of Crysis from my gameboy then its "captrured from a Gameboy")

So again Why was I impressed? Because its a Zelda like I have never seen it before while BF4 for example looks like BF3 with better reflections and better faces but its not really something I have not seen before because other than the HUD most "realistic" games have the "same" artstyle. (and no yellow/green "tint" doesnt change the artstyle it just changes the color of the picture.)

"Wii-u looks better? OK barely"
WIiU can look better END OF STORY  not barely compared to 7 year old hardware and not much better.  Its not the time to say how much better it can look like since no normal person knows it.
Would you say PS360 look a bit better than 3DS since Resident Evil Revelations on PS360 does not look as good as other PS360 games? I dont think so.

Judge the system when the first party titles come out or when third party games come out that at least try to take advantage of the system. (not even need for speed WiiU does it and even the PC version just looks BARELY better than PS360 versions because it still is  ONLY a PS360 game ported to better systems) 
Look at monster hunter 3 ultimate it looks barely better than the Wii game (resolution excluded) and when you now base your "expert knowledge" on this then noone can help you lol.

"what do you expect a prize?"
Why would I want a prize?  For what? When did Nintendo fans ever say they want a prize? They are not the ones mentioning power to show off or the ones in need of constant affirmation so I dont get what you want to say with this lol.

The wii-u is only barely more powerfull the CPU hamstrings the system, and its lack of power is why Unreal 4 and other engiones wont riun on it, that is a big issue foir nintendo, There is nothing hardware wise much above ps3 or 360. A system is only as fast as its slowest part it's gimped CPU really hurts the system.  Nothing else you said is even relevant.

 

PS360 gap is massive between 3ds comapred the the wiiu and 360ps which are about equal, horrid comparison.  Wiiu can look slightly better WOW< amazing, welcome to 2006.

Oh man its like I am talking to my grandmother xD   NEWS FLASH WIIU WILL RUN UNREAL 4!    (no offence the grandmother part was used to describe your somewhat outdated point of view)

And I explained why the WiiU has the CPU it has  because the system is focusing on GPU not CPU.   Cpu's have a much worse performace/price ratio. So it makes sense to have a GPU that does what CPUs usually do.
And how do you even know the actual performance of the WiiU CPU? HINT: My 2009 phone has a 800mhz cpu  my 2004 PC has a 3400MHZ CPU  and my PC is not the faster device!

A system is only as fast as the slowest part that is relevant for what the system is intended to do. 
My DS has a GBA cpu inside  and its not slowed down by this because its not intended to be used in "DS mode"  And WiiU games that will make use of the GPU and that will just let the CPU handle basic stuff wont have a problem at all.   I mean a gas powered car is not useful if you use it without gas (the way it is intended to be used)  same goes for WiiU  its not a useful method to force the system to handle CPU intense tasks because thats not what the system is supposed to do.

Why is the 3ds ps360 example horrible? It is the same logic you apply to WiiU and PS360.  You still dont understand that its not the time for you to judge the WiiUs capabilites because you dont know what it can do. You just know what happens when people port over old games to a new system or when they have low-budget-titles that were made on alpha/beta devkits. Why are you so impatient?

And what does that have anything to do with 2006? WiiU can handle effects PS360 cannot!   

When you think WiiU is basically 2006 hardware would you also agree to this here?:
- 2007's Crysis looks better than any PS360 games in terms of polycount/geometry/textures  etc  Crysis just lacks the fancy light effects and reflections  games like BF3 have.   Killzone on PS4 fixed this so what is the PS4 then?

When you ignore WiiUs "shader effects etc" which PS360 cant handle and say welcome to 2006 then I can ignore what the PS4/nextbox can do since those can to less new stuff compared to WiiU than WiiU can do compared to PS360!

So the conclusion would be:   PS4 FINALLY! has 2007 PC graphics with effects games in 2011 had (again I ignore the PS4 shaders etc. since you also ignore the WiiU ones)  so 2007+2011 / 2 = 2009  WOW WELCOME TO 2009! (PS4 can do what PCs could do in 2009 when PS360 wouldnt have slowed down graphical evolution!  Thanks PS360!!!)


You see how unsmart this line of thinking is?  Again you can not just go and say THIS IS FACT THAT IS FACT when you dont know whats going on. I dont argue that PS4 and nextbox will have better graphics than WiiU  I dont even care lol. I just tell you that the stuff you say makes no sense because you dont get what you are talking about.


I get what I am saying just find, you clearly have no clue. The wiiu won't be getting unreal 4 epic said so. it can run it sure, with majoe concessions and its not worth the money for epic.

 

The system is only as fast as its slowest part is irrelevant? The wiiu is a gaming machine the CPU is critical, every instruction set goes throug the CPU and the the wii-u's is weak  and no the gpu does not do what a cpu does. You say this nonsense and say I dont know what I am talking about? wow. Engines like unreal 4 and other next gen games will require vastly better multi-core cpu's. heck even the ps3 and 360 have a better cpu and many games are very cpu inensive. A slow cpou will slow down the rest of a system as every instruction goes through it.

 

Its why in a PC you never put  a fast GPu with a slow CPU or you will get a bottlneck. You should not talk about tech you clearly have no clue about.



SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
 

Nothing you said changes what i said as beinf true...Spin much? Ps4 and new xbox are not long away, no one cares if wii-u looks slightly better at this point it should.  The fact that it barely does, and still lacks many of the features ps3 and xbox has, no one is impressed.

 

Those pics are stills, im moting you would be hard pressed to even see a difference unless you specifically look for it.

 

Wii-u looks better? OK barely and against 7 year odl ahrdware again what do you expect a prize?

"Ps4 and new xbox are not long away, no one cares if wii-u looks slightly better(than ps360)"
Well  especially PS fans CARE ALOT! What WiiU looks like THATS THE POINT.

"and still lacks many of the features ps3 and xbox has"
You still fail to name what FEATURES WiiU lacks compared to current gen systems. Why dont you go into specifics?  

"no one is impressed."
Just because you or some "experts" say they are not impressed you cant say NOONE is.
I was really impressed with the Zelda HD experience.(AND NO IT WAS NOT A VIDEO the first ever LAST OF US  trailer/teaser was more of a video than this was hence the "captured from a Playstation" and not "ingame graphics" text you know when I record a video of Crysis from my gameboy then its "captrured from a Gameboy")

So again Why was I impressed? Because its a Zelda like I have never seen it before while BF4 for example looks like BF3 with better reflections and better faces but its not really something I have not seen before because other than the HUD most "realistic" games have the "same" artstyle. (and no yellow/green "tint" doesnt change the artstyle it just changes the color of the picture.)

"Wii-u looks better? OK barely"
WIiU can look better END OF STORY  not barely compared to 7 year old hardware and not much better.  Its not the time to say how much better it can look like since no normal person knows it.
Would you say PS360 look a bit better than 3DS since Resident Evil Revelations on PS360 does not look as good as other PS360 games? I dont think so.

Judge the system when the first party titles come out or when third party games come out that at least try to take advantage of the system. (not even need for speed WiiU does it and even the PC version just looks BARELY better than PS360 versions because it still is  ONLY a PS360 game ported to better systems) 
Look at monster hunter 3 ultimate it looks barely better than the Wii game (resolution excluded) and when you now base your "expert knowledge" on this then noone can help you lol.

"what do you expect a prize?"
Why would I want a prize?  For what? When did Nintendo fans ever say they want a prize? They are not the ones mentioning power to show off or the ones in need of constant affirmation so I dont get what you want to say with this lol.

The wii-u is only barely more powerfull the CPU hamstrings the system, and its lack of power is why Unreal 4 and other engiones wont riun on it, that is a big issue foir nintendo, There is nothing hardware wise much above ps3 or 360. A system is only as fast as its slowest part it's gimped CPU really hurts the system.  Nothing else you said is even relevant.

 

PS360 gap is massive between 3ds comapred the the wiiu and 360ps which are about equal, horrid comparison.  Wiiu can look slightly better WOW< amazing, welcome to 2006.

Oh man its like I am talking to my grandmother xD   NEWS FLASH WIIU WILL RUN UNREAL 4!    (no offence the grandmother part was used to describe your somewhat outdated point of view)

And I explained why the WiiU has the CPU it has  because the system is focusing on GPU not CPU.   Cpu's have a much worse performace/price ratio. So it makes sense to have a GPU that does what CPUs usually do.
And how do you even know the actual performance of the WiiU CPU? HINT: My 2009 phone has a 800mhz cpu  my 2004 PC has a 3400MHZ CPU  and my PC is not the faster device!

A system is only as fast as the slowest part that is relevant for what the system is intended to do. 
My DS has a GBA cpu inside  and its not slowed down by this because its not intended to be used in "DS mode"  And WiiU games that will make use of the GPU and that will just let the CPU handle basic stuff wont have a problem at all.   I mean a gas powered car is not useful if you use it without gas (the way it is intended to be used)  same goes for WiiU  its not a useful method to force the system to handle CPU intense tasks because thats not what the system is supposed to do.

Why is the 3ds ps360 example horrible? It is the same logic you apply to WiiU and PS360.  You still dont understand that its not the time for you to judge the WiiUs capabilites because you dont know what it can do. You just know what happens when people port over old games to a new system or when they have low-budget-titles that were made on alpha/beta devkits. Why are you so impatient?

And what does that have anything to do with 2006? WiiU can handle effects PS360 cannot!   

When you think WiiU is basically 2006 hardware would you also agree to this here?:
- 2007's Crysis looks better than any PS360 games in terms of polycount/geometry/textures  etc  Crysis just lacks the fancy light effects and reflections  games like BF3 have.   Killzone on PS4 fixed this so what is the PS4 then?

When you ignore WiiUs "shader effects etc" which PS360 cant handle and say welcome to 2006 then I can ignore what the PS4/nextbox can do since those can to less new stuff compared to WiiU than WiiU can do compared to PS360!

So the conclusion would be:   PS4 FINALLY! has 2007 PC graphics with effects games in 2011 had (again I ignore the PS4 shaders etc. since you also ignore the WiiU ones)  so 2007+2011 / 2 = 2009  WOW WELCOME TO 2009! (PS4 can do what PCs could do in 2009 when PS360 wouldnt have slowed down graphical evolution!  Thanks PS360!!!)


You see how unsmart this line of thinking is?  Again you can not just go and say THIS IS FACT THAT IS FACT when you dont know whats going on. I dont argue that PS4 and nextbox will have better graphics than WiiU  I dont even care lol. I just tell you that the stuff you say makes no sense because you dont get what you are talking about.


I get what I am saying just find, you clearly have no clue. The wiiu won't be getting unreal 4 epic said so. it can run it sure, with majoe concessions and its not worth the money for epic.

 

The system is only as fast as its slowest part is irrelevant? The wiiu is a gaming machine the CPU is critical, every instruction set goes throug the CPU and the the wii-u's is weak  and no the gpu does not do what a cpu does. You say this nonsense and say I dont know what I am talking about? wow. Engines like unreal 4 and other next gen games will require vastly better multi-core cpu's. heck even the ps3 and 360 have a better cpu and many games are very cpu inensive. A slow cpou will slow down the rest of a system as every instruction goes through it.

 

Its why in a PC you never put  a fast GPu with a slow CPU or you will get a bottlneck. You should not talk about tech you clearly have no clue about.



funny you say that when PS4 cpu is a really underpowered one compared to my already one year old PC for example, clearly the weakest part of the system.



DieAppleDie said:
SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
JazzB1987 said:
SENTIENT6 said:
 

Nothing you said changes what i said as beinf true...Spin much? Ps4 and new xbox are not long away, no one cares if wii-u looks slightly better at this point it should.  The fact that it barely does, and still lacks many of the features ps3 and xbox has, no one is impressed.

 

Those pics are stills, im moting you would be hard pressed to even see a difference unless you specifically look for it.

 

Wii-u looks better? OK barely and against 7 year odl ahrdware again what do you expect a prize?

"Ps4 and new xbox are not long away, no one cares if wii-u looks slightly better(than ps360)"
Well  especially PS fans CARE ALOT! What WiiU looks like THATS THE POINT.

"and still lacks many of the features ps3 and xbox has"
You still fail to name what FEATURES WiiU lacks compared to current gen systems. Why dont you go into specifics?  

"no one is impressed."
Just because you or some "experts" say they are not impressed you cant say NOONE is.
I was really impressed with the Zelda HD experience.(AND NO IT WAS NOT A VIDEO the first ever LAST OF US  trailer/teaser was more of a video than this was hence the "captured from a Playstation" and not "ingame graphics" text you know when I record a video of Crysis from my gameboy then its "captrured from a Gameboy")

So again Why was I impressed? Because its a Zelda like I have never seen it before while BF4 for example looks like BF3 with better reflections and better faces but its not really something I have not seen before because other than the HUD most "realistic" games have the "same" artstyle. (and no yellow/green "tint" doesnt change the artstyle it just changes the color of the picture.)

"Wii-u looks better? OK barely"
WIiU can look better END OF STORY  not barely compared to 7 year old hardware and not much better.  Its not the time to say how much better it can look like since no normal person knows it.
Would you say PS360 look a bit better than 3DS since Resident Evil Revelations on PS360 does not look as good as other PS360 games? I dont think so.

Judge the system when the first party titles come out or when third party games come out that at least try to take advantage of the system. (not even need for speed WiiU does it and even the PC version just looks BARELY better than PS360 versions because it still is  ONLY a PS360 game ported to better systems) 
Look at monster hunter 3 ultimate it looks barely better than the Wii game (resolution excluded) and when you now base your "expert knowledge" on this then noone can help you lol.

"what do you expect a prize?"
Why would I want a prize?  For what? When did Nintendo fans ever say they want a prize? They are not the ones mentioning power to show off or the ones in need of constant affirmation so I dont get what you want to say with this lol.

The wii-u is only barely more powerfull the CPU hamstrings the system, and its lack of power is why Unreal 4 and other engiones wont riun on it, that is a big issue foir nintendo, There is nothing hardware wise much above ps3 or 360. A system is only as fast as its slowest part it's gimped CPU really hurts the system.  Nothing else you said is even relevant.

 

PS360 gap is massive between 3ds comapred the the wiiu and 360ps which are about equal, horrid comparison.  Wiiu can look slightly better WOW< amazing, welcome to 2006.

Oh man its like I am talking to my grandmother xD   NEWS FLASH WIIU WILL RUN UNREAL 4!    (no offence the grandmother part was used to describe your somewhat outdated point of view)

And I explained why the WiiU has the CPU it has  because the system is focusing on GPU not CPU.   Cpu's have a much worse performace/price ratio. So it makes sense to have a GPU that does what CPUs usually do.
And how do you even know the actual performance of the WiiU CPU? HINT: My 2009 phone has a 800mhz cpu  my 2004 PC has a 3400MHZ CPU  and my PC is not the faster device!

A system is only as fast as the slowest part that is relevant for what the system is intended to do. 
My DS has a GBA cpu inside  and its not slowed down by this because its not intended to be used in "DS mode"  And WiiU games that will make use of the GPU and that will just let the CPU handle basic stuff wont have a problem at all.   I mean a gas powered car is not useful if you use it without gas (the way it is intended to be used)  same goes for WiiU  its not a useful method to force the system to handle CPU intense tasks because thats not what the system is supposed to do.

Why is the 3ds ps360 example horrible? It is the same logic you apply to WiiU and PS360.  You still dont understand that its not the time for you to judge the WiiUs capabilites because you dont know what it can do. You just know what happens when people port over old games to a new system or when they have low-budget-titles that were made on alpha/beta devkits. Why are you so impatient?

And what does that have anything to do with 2006? WiiU can handle effects PS360 cannot!   

When you think WiiU is basically 2006 hardware would you also agree to this here?:
- 2007's Crysis looks better than any PS360 games in terms of polycount/geometry/textures  etc  Crysis just lacks the fancy light effects and reflections  games like BF3 have.   Killzone on PS4 fixed this so what is the PS4 then?

When you ignore WiiUs "shader effects etc" which PS360 cant handle and say welcome to 2006 then I can ignore what the PS4/nextbox can do since those can to less new stuff compared to WiiU than WiiU can do compared to PS360!

So the conclusion would be:   PS4 FINALLY! has 2007 PC graphics with effects games in 2011 had (again I ignore the PS4 shaders etc. since you also ignore the WiiU ones)  so 2007+2011 / 2 = 2009  WOW WELCOME TO 2009! (PS4 can do what PCs could do in 2009 when PS360 wouldnt have slowed down graphical evolution!  Thanks PS360!!!)


You see how unsmart this line of thinking is?  Again you can not just go and say THIS IS FACT THAT IS FACT when you dont know whats going on. I dont argue that PS4 and nextbox will have better graphics than WiiU  I dont even care lol. I just tell you that the stuff you say makes no sense because you dont get what you are talking about.


I get what I am saying just find, you clearly have no clue. The wiiu won't be getting unreal 4 epic said so. it can run it sure, with majoe concessions and its not worth the money for epic.

 

The system is only as fast as its slowest part is irrelevant? The wiiu is a gaming machine the CPU is critical, every instruction set goes throug the CPU and the the wii-u's is weak  and no the gpu does not do what a cpu does. You say this nonsense and say I dont know what I am talking about? wow. Engines like unreal 4 and other next gen games will require vastly better multi-core cpu's. heck even the ps3 and 360 have a better cpu and many games are very cpu inensive. A slow cpou will slow down the rest of a system as every instruction goes through it.

 

Its why in a PC you never put  a fast GPu with a slow CPU or you will get a bottlneck. You should not talk about tech you clearly have no clue about.



funny you say that when PS4 cpu is a really underpowered one compared to my already one year old PC for example, clearly the weakest part of the system.

You have an 8 core cpu a year ago woith unified architecture? Sure bud.? GHZ speed is no indication of cpu performance.... And this thread has zero to do with PC, please explain what PC has to do wth anything?



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Your talking about this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf29-F2Nh88 cause 360 has more lighting go ahead and watch it and let me  at what seconds this lighting kick in.

I watched your video and you seem to be confusing lighting with gamma color.   The overall oclors on the Wii U version appear darker, right?  That's a gamma difference, not lighting.   

The lighting differences are found in light sources such as street lights, neon signs, etc...

digital foundry makes no mention of better lighting i will take there word, cause i can't see it in pics or videos. i can see some of the better textures,  but only during the cutscene pics. thats the only real upgrade i see, and oh yea they mention a 5fps advantage during crashes. but all version hold a good 30 fps. with sometimes even the 360/ps3 pulling ahead.

Then my question is, do you make a thread every single time Digital Foundry finds just a 5% variance between games?  Why only when it's a Nintendo related issue?

nope because everybody knows ps3/360 are on par with each having advantages, while some people still think wiiu is much more powerful then 360/ps3, and think this is proves it, when in reality its your typical 360 vs ps3 comparison, with wiiu winiing the faceoff, don't you remember this http://www.nintengen.com/2013/02/need-for-speed-most-wanted-wii-u-vs.html 



Depends on what you mean by 'much more' powerful. On paper it's around 3 times more powerful but in terms of real world performance we're probably talking about 4 times more powerful. It most certainly isn't 'on par'. The Out-Of-Order CPU and dedicated silicone for sound, IO and OS functions alone make a huge difference, as does the low latency RAM.

We're talking about a CPU with 3 times more cache, 4 times more RAM with considerably less latency, a GPU with more than 3 times more eDRAM which is on-die as opposed to being on a daughter-die and a GPU with a DX11-equivalent feature set as opposed to a DX9-equivalent feature set.

The fact that the Wii U SKU of Most Wanted uses PC textures speaks volumes to anyone that doesn't have an anti-Wii U agenda.