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Forums - Nintendo - Put a fork in the Wii U, it is done. [Sensible discussion only, no flaming]

JGarret said:
If you´re gonna stick a fork in the system, you should´ve stopped at 20 million...40 million isn´t that bad, especially considering the circumstances.


Yes and No.  I mean the gamming base is huge now, and I would like to give the Wii U the benifit of the doubt.  I mean it could pick up, but never past 40 million.

 

Never count Nintendo out, but I just can't see them doing well.



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thekitchensink said:
You're right. Nintendo's new system is tanking horribly. It's only somewhat more powerful than Sony's previous-generation effort, has almost no good games and a 'gimmick' that supposedly adds nothing to gameplay, and is going to be demolished by an upcoming competitor with a stronger lineup that is orders of magnitude more powerful than it. This new system also has the benefit of maintaining the online accounts people have become so attached to.

Yes, the 3DS is so screwed when the Vita comes out.


Hold still for a moment. This is a portable radiation scanner. No, it will not hurt, just hold still and it will be over soon.

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You seem to have absorbed quite a dose of ionizing false analogies and misleading vividness. Oh dear... what to do now, you say? Hell if I know... I just run the scanner around here.



 

 

 

 

 

brendude13 said:

Vita is doomed.

IT'S ALL DOOMED!

I am seriously concerned about the Vita too, but it seems price cuts and games are going to make a huge difference; whereas we have just learned the massive Wii U cuts have made little to no difference.

 

Having said that I see the Vita doing a similar 20 - 40 million.



Nintendo can overcome with some properly-executed expanded-market games. NSMBU was a solid start, but it needs supplemented. The expanded market of Wii Sports/Fit may be lost to tablets, but people looking for the classic Nintendo experience (not the N64/GameCube nintendo experience) still have only one place to turn, and Nintendo has but to answer them.



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thekitchensink said:
You're right. Nintendo's new system is tanking horribly. It's only somewhat more powerful than Sony's previous-generation effort, has almost no good games and a 'gimmick' that supposedly adds nothing to gameplay, and is going to be demolished by an upcoming competitor with a stronger lineup that is orders of magnitude more powerful than it. This new system also has the benefit of maintaining the online accounts people have become so attached to.

Yes, the 3DS is so screwed when the Vita comes out.


-The 3DS has a cool gimmick while the Wii U's clearly hasn't connected with its base as well.

-The 3DS IS stronger than the PSP.

-The 3DS WAS screwed, but they reacted effectively and SONY fumbled around with the Memory Cards.  SONY seems to have learned, and the Wii U's priice cuts will be countered by PS360 cuts.



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haxxiy said:
thekitchensink said:
You're right. Nintendo's new system is tanking horribly. It's only somewhat more powerful than Sony's previous-generation effort, has almost no good games and a 'gimmick' that supposedly adds nothing to gameplay, and is going to be demolished by an upcoming competitor with a stronger lineup that is orders of magnitude more powerful than it. This new system also has the benefit of maintaining the online accounts people have become so attached to.

Yes, the 3DS is so screwed when the Vita comes out.


Hold still for a moment. This is a portable radiation scanner. No, it will not hurt, just hold still and it will be over soon.

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You seem to have absorbed quite a dose of ionizing false analogies and misleading vividness. Oh dear... what to do now, you say? Hell if I know... I just run the scanner around here.

It's not entirely a false analogy. Obviously Nintendo has far stronger momentum on their sides, and their ability to court Japanese development (due to the fact that Western devs don't care about handhelds) make it easier for them to muscle out Sony, but 3DS teaches a very basic idea; even if the hardware basis is not all that compelling, improvement on price point and aggressive expansion of the game library fixes sales problems.

Hell, it also worked for the PS3.



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Can someone please answer me this.....When the PS4/720 sells 1/2 - 2/3 of what the WiiU has in the same time frame, will they be doomed as well??? Just wondering.



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Mr Khan said:
Nintendo can overcome with some properly-executed expanded-market games. NSMBU was a solid start, but it needs supplemented. The expanded market of Wii Sports/Fit may be lost to tablets, but people looking for the classic Nintendo experience (not the N64/GameCube nintendo experience) still have only one place to turn, and Nintendo has but to answer them.


Exactly so expect a survivable but sad 15-40 million.



The WiiU lacks what the Wii had: a revolutionary concept. Without it, there's zero interest in the console, even if it is better than its predecessors. It is not the lack of third party support, nor the ram or the hard drive, or the gimmicks or the brand itself.



thekitchensink said:
You're right. Nintendo's new system is tanking horribly. It's only somewhat more powerful than Sony's previous-generation effort, has almost no good games and a 'gimmick' that supposedly adds nothing to gameplay, and is going to be demolished by an upcoming competitor with a stronger lineup that is orders of magnitude more powerful than it. This new system also has the benefit of maintaining the online accounts people have become so attached to.

Yes, the 3DS is so screwed when the Vita comes out.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,

As for the OP, 

40 is actually pretty good.

Name one gen that Nintendo had "good" 3rd party support, that had at least 1 other decent competitor, AND they sold more than 60 million units?  Can't think of any?  That's right, CUS THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED AND HAS NEVER STOPPED NINTENDO.  Nintendo thrives off of their first party support, the casual gamer bougth the wii for wii sports, wii fit, mario kart and NSUMBW.  When they launch wii fit, wii sports, mario kart and have a decent price drop in a year or 2, I bet you anything that the casual audience will buy a lot of wiiU's.

You are trying to argue that the ps4 and 720 will take away Nintendo's loyal fanbase, keep in mind a couple things, how many sony fans abandoned Sony from last gen to current gen?  That's right, HALF OF THE SONY FANBASE LEFT SONY FOR MICROSOFT.  Why did they do this?  Because Sony abandoned all of their platform and rpg games for shooters.  Ok, that may not be true, in actuallity, because the xbox 360 was getting better 3rd party support, and because it's cheaper, and because games were ported from the 360 to the ps3 so the ps3 was getting bad ports, the fanbase left.  Will they come back?  Maybe, too early to tell, so far we have yet another shooter....a couple new IP's that don't seem to be attracting a lot of attention, and an eye that spies on you. 

Name one gen where the most powerful console won the console wars?  Can't think of any?  THATS BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!  maybe if you go back to the pre Nintendo era, but whatever, the point is that the weakest console typically wins.

The cost of gaming has gone up a lot, and even if Nintendo doesn't get a lot of AAA games, they will still get a lot of games from indie developers(which they currently are getting).  Only time will tell whether or not they get AAA games, but keep in mind that the power difference of the wiiU-ps4 is much smaller than the wii-ps3, which is definitely a plus, and because of the high development costs, it would definitely be wise for companies to port their games on every platform to maximize their profits.

Anyways i'm going off here, but I'm interested in a debate, not some flame war, sorry for my caps in certain places.  And for the record my point isn't that Nintendo will get 90+ million units, or that it will win next gen, even though I made some points that it might>.>  my point is that, compared to the ps4 and 720 it will do well, so if the other two consoles sell 40-60 million units in their life time, I would suspect the wiiU will sell at least 30-50 million units.



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