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DirtyP2002 on 20 March 2013
MoHasanie said:
DirtyP2002 said:
I am happy that I am wealthy enough to not care about $60 / year. I am sorry for all you other guys.

Seriously, why do you make such a big deal out of this? It is $5 PER MONTH. I pay 2.8€ (about $3.6) a DAY just for the metro to get to work.


Its true that $5 a month is nothing, but $60 a year is the price of a brand new game. In Economics, the oppotunity cost for paying for Xbox Live is quite high.  


Yeah, and I have like 6-7 games in my collection I have yet to play and consider to buy Tomb Raider and Gears of War: Judgement :D
If $60 is a financial problem for you, you should change your hobby.



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Subie_Greg on 20 March 2013

It's not that $60 a year is a lot of money. It's just that it gives you nothing.

It's a pay wall. A online gaming toll. Nothing more



MoHasanie on 20 March 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
MoHasanie said:
DirtyP2002 said:
I am happy that I am wealthy enough to not care about $60 / year. I am sorry for all you other guys.

Seriously, why do you make such a big deal out of this? It is $5 PER MONTH. I pay 2.8€ (about $3.6) a DAY just for the metro to get to work.


Its true that $5 a month is nothing, but $60 a year is the price of a brand new game. In Economics, the oppotunity cost for paying for Xbox Live is quite high.  


Yeah, and I have like 6-7 games in my collection I have yet to play and consider to buy Tomb Raider and Gears of War: Judgement :D
If $60 is a financial problem for you, you should change your hobby.

$60 is no problem for me, and I only pay for Xbox live just to play Halo 4 once a week. But I'm just pointing out, that even for loyal Xbox users like myself, I wish MS would lower the cost for Gold to like $30.  



    

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Adinnieken on 20 March 2013
Zappykins said:
Adinnieken said:
Zappykins said:
I think for their best interest, Sony should try to offer a better online service than Microsoft. Even if they charge less for it, you have to make strong compelling reason for people to switch.

That being said, I haven’t seen anything to make me think they are doing that. It looks more like catching up to me. Microsoft it a tough cookie, and has been online for a long time. They offer a strong and varied service.

If the new Skype/Kinect 2.0 really does what people are hoping. It will open new world for them.

The on exception is the Share Button. Sony seems like they have done smart thing by including that button and features.

Microsoft tried something like the Share button with XBL and people disabled it.  A few friends might be interested in what you share, but the majority of people will find it annoying and disable it.  I'm not saying offering it is a bad thing, I'm not sure gaming and social networks fit together.  Possibly if it ties back to Sony's own forums it may be successful, but the problem is the audience.  If Sony provides a way to direct the shared content to a "Gamers" group you create, then it may work.  However, if I was a teenager and I had my parents, friends, classmates, and teachers on my Facebook, I wouldn't want to be sharing to everyone of them that I just made an awesome kill Call of Duty, when I was supposed to be working on an essay that I didn't turn in the following day.

The audience to me is just wrong for sharing gaming content.

Oh man! I was trying hard to complement them on... ...something innovative, new or creative.  Turns out I didn't know they were copying what someone else has already gotten rid of.  Well, I wish them luck then.

To a specific group, or on your 'gaming area' sounds like a good idea. I know in Dance Central 3 you can send out score challenges, but I don't know what they look like to receive them.  I hope it’s not annoying.

I think Beacons or something like that should be something they are planning.

Honestly, the focus has to be in creating their own gaming social network.  It's what Microsoft is doing.



OdinHades on 21 March 2013
fillet said:
richardhutnik said:
Heavenly Sigma said:
Plus on PS4 won't be able to offer free games. They will need to offer a different plan for at least a year.

Why won't the PS4's premium plan offer free games?  From what I am seeing, the plan is to get people to sign up for a subscription and have them access a huge library.  It will be like what you have with Plus now, with needing subscribing to the service to access.  Maybe they get rid of offering content at a reduced price for a premium service.  My distinct feeling is Sony is very much interested in an ongoing revenuee stream.


Because the publishers will be demanding too much money to offer their games for free during subscription. It would put the cost of PS+ through the roof. Since the PS4 would only have just been released, they could only offer "new" games - new games royalty cost to publisher would be a multitude of cost more than "old" games 12 months+ for example.

Think about it, offering game that have just come out for free is lost sales for a publisher, wheras free games as they are now on PS+ are 9/10 going to be games that were never going to be a sale to that PS+ subscriber in the first place.

The cost of developement makes the lions share of the outlay for a game, disk/packaging/marketing/distributor fees is a tiny percentage taken out of the return that the publisher receives.

Not going to happen basically.

PS+ won't be available at launch, just like it wasn't for the Vita. It'll take 6 months or so before the service kicks in. 



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fillet on 21 March 2013
OdinHades said:
fillet said:
richardhutnik said:
Heavenly Sigma said:
Plus on PS4 won't be able to offer free games. They will need to offer a different plan for at least a year.

Why won't the PS4's premium plan offer free games?  From what I am seeing, the plan is to get people to sign up for a subscription and have them access a huge library.  It will be like what you have with Plus now, with needing subscribing to the service to access.  Maybe they get rid of offering content at a reduced price for a premium service.  My distinct feeling is Sony is very much interested in an ongoing revenuee stream.


Because the publishers will be demanding too much money to offer their games for free during subscription. It would put the cost of PS+ through the roof. Since the PS4 would only have just been released, they could only offer "new" games - new games royalty cost to publisher would be a multitude of cost more than "old" games 12 months+ for example.

Think about it, offering game that have just come out for free is lost sales for a publisher, wheras free games as they are now on PS+ are 9/10 going to be games that were never going to be a sale to that PS+ subscriber in the first place.

The cost of developement makes the lions share of the outlay for a game, disk/packaging/marketing/distributor fees is a tiny percentage taken out of the return that the publisher receives.

Not going to happen basically.

PS+ won't be available at launch, just like it wasn't for the Vita. It'll take 6 months or so before the service kicks in. 

That would make sense, though I was expecting a lot longer like 12 months really, do you have a source to say 6 months or is that your gut feeling like mine is for 12?



OdinHades on 21 March 2013

Just a feeling. 6 months sounds reasonable to me, though I won't be expecting any third party titles by that time. But they could offer two Sony exclusives for a longer perios, just like they are doing with Uncharted: Golden Abyss and Gravity Rush on Vita.



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Heavenly Sigma on 21 March 2013
richardhutnik said:
Heavenly Sigma said:
Plus on PS4 won't be able to offer free games. They will need to offer a different plan for at least a year.

Why won't the PS4's premium plan offer free games?  From what I am seeing, the plan is to get people to sign up for a subscription and have them access a huge library.  It will be like what you have with Plus now, with needing subscribing to the service to access.  Maybe they get rid of offering content at a reduced price for a premium service.  My distinct feeling is Sony is very much interested in an ongoing revenuee stream.


 Well which free games. What huge libary? It's not going to be backwards compatable. With Gaikai you got alot of mabyes. They would have to let you subscto  to let you play new games right away for that to e part of a subscription.



 Go Team Venture! I still don't get the Wii, PS Move,  and Kinect.

richardhutnik on 21 March 2013
Heavenly Sigma said:
richardhutnik said:
Heavenly Sigma said:
Plus on PS4 won't be able to offer free games. They will need to offer a different plan for at least a year.

Why won't the PS4's premium plan offer free games?  From what I am seeing, the plan is to get people to sign up for a subscription and have them access a huge library.  It will be like what you have with Plus now, with needing subscribing to the service to access.  Maybe they get rid of offering content at a reduced price for a premium service.  My distinct feeling is Sony is very much interested in an ongoing revenuee stream.


 Well which free games. What huge libary? It's not going to be backwards compatable. With Gaikai you got alot of mabyes. They would have to let you subscto  to let you play new games right away for that to e part of a subscription.

The idea, as I understood it, was Gaikai was going to be used to enable people to get access to older content.  I wish I could find the exact interview, but  Sony executive expressed an interest in Sony offering its past library of games on demad, via a subscription model.  People pay and get access to older content.  



Heavenly Sigma on 21 March 2013
richardhutnik said:
Heavenly Sigma said:
richardhutnik said:
Heavenly Sigma said:
Plus on PS4 won't be able to offer free games. They will need to offer a different plan for at least a year.

Why won't the PS4's premium plan offer free games?  From what I am seeing, the plan is to get people to sign up for a subscription and have them access a huge library.  It will be like what you have with Plus now, with needing subscribing to the service to access.  Maybe they get rid of offering content at a reduced price for a premium service.  My distinct feeling is Sony is very much interested in an ongoing revenuee stream.


 Well which free games. What huge libary? It's not going to be backwards compatable. With Gaikai you got alot of mabyes. They would have to let you subscto  to let you play new games right away for that to e part of a subscription.

The idea, as I understood it, was Gaikai was going to be used to enable people to get access to older content.  I wish I could find the exact interview, but  Sony executive expressed an interest in Sony offering its past library of games on demad, via a subscription model.  People pay and get access to older content.  

 They said that's what they want to do that at the conference but kept mentioning that they won't have it ready anytime soon. So it's probably going to be like some other people mentioned like the Vita and not available at launch.



 Go Team Venture! I still don't get the Wii, PS Move,  and Kinect.