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osed125 on 16 March 2013
BaldrSkies said:
osed125 said:
BaldrSkies said:
When even Ys is adding easy mode and cheap win tactics, you know something is going on.

When Fire Emblem lets you turn off perma deaths you also know something is going on. Luckily that game is still hard as f*ck (from what I heard, haven't play it yet)


Fire Emblem was never really that hard, it was more about placing certain units for taking hits from certain enemies, and damage rotation and ranging on certain bosses, if you wanted to avoid deaths. Although for a Nintendo series it can be considered hard. That and the storytelling is probably why it's my favorite Nintendo series.

Do you think that's easy? Yes, the game is about placing units in the right place but that doesn't make it easier. You need to pay attention to enemies units range, weapons, skills and other stuff, making one wrong move will result in your death. Sure it's not a difficult game in terms of pressing bottoms, but it really puts your mind to think.



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RazorDragon on 16 March 2013

These days I automatically select the hardest mode upon starting a game. Never had any problem doing that until I bought Ghost of Sparta for the PSP... But, yeah, most games nowadays are child's play.

 

Oh, and Fire Emblem is easy if you don't care about losing your team members. Otherwise, be prepared to restart levels frequently, because after the first missions it becomes impossible to pass a level without losing one or two team members.



DieAppleDie on 16 March 2013
RazorDragon said:
These days I automatically select the hardest mode upon starting a game. Never had any problem doing that until I did that with Ghost of Sparta on the PSP... But, yeah, most games nowadays are child's play.



Try beating Gun on Crazy difficulty level....



platformmaster918 on 16 March 2013
osed125 said:
platformmaster918 said:
osed125 said:
platformmaster918 said:
osed125 said:

In order to attract the mainstream audience games need to be easy, if developers don't do it then most people will hate it and thus not buy it. There are some exceptions to this obviously, like the Soul's series.

One of the problems I usually face up with games is that they are "difficult" (the real word should be frustrating) for the wrong reasons: bad camera, bad controls, action commands (God I hate this things so much) etc. this has been around since the NES days but I feel like more games suffer from this lately, many of my deaths in video games are because of bad design choices and not really because I suck at the game (again there are exceptions to this rule), when I fail at a game it should be because I did something wrong, not because the game did something wrong. 

There's also the type of "hard" games that simple put all the guys shoot at you at the same time, that imo is a really bad design choice. Devs probably just increase the accuracy of enemies AI to make it feel it's harder, but in reality this is just frustrating. This part typically applies to FPS when to put them on hard difficulty.

funnily enough I put the Soul's series in that category.  At least when I played Demon's Souls I found the levels to be extremely easy other than the ones in tunnels or small rooms where targeting an enemy would result in me being unable to see.  Then I would get to a boss and die before figuring out the pattern and have to start the whole level over.  It was easy to get through most of the levels if you took your time, but damn was the no checkpoint at a boss thing dumb.  I'm not asking for any advantage.  Give me the same health I had after going through the level and same items, just don't make me go though 50 soldiers and tediously do the same half hour level again just to get back to the only hard part.  Stupid design imo.

It encourages you to be better at the game. What's the fun of dying to some soldiers when you respawn at the spot? I died a lot of Demon Souls and had to repeat the same areas again, but I was getting better, by doing some areas again I start learning the game and be better at it, which help a lot in future areas. It's not frustrating because the enemies are not really cheap (like everything, there are some exceptions in the game imo, but overall most enemies are fine), you just have to learn their patterns and know how to block and attack.

 In this type of cases I think people confuses difficulty with perseverance. If you try a million times one part and never beat or when you beat you feel like you didn't learned anything, then that's a really bad design choice. When you try a part a couple of times and (even though it may have take you a lot of tries) beat it and you feel you are getting better, that means the developers have done a good job. 

I never felt any better though because it was just matter of "ok now I know that this rock will fall down the steps which I had no way  of knowing before and have to fight those incredibly easy yet time consuming enemies again"  I don't know I seem to be the only one that hates the design of that game not because it's hard, but because it makes you go through the simple, easy peezy parts again and again because it'll blindside you halfway through a level with a trap you couldn't have possibly seen coming or you die on the boss who is normally 100x harder than any other section and yet have to go through all that stuff again.  Given there were shortcuts on some levels but most of the time it felt like they were artificially extending the game's life by eliminating checkpoints instead of actually making it more difficult.  I killed 2 bosses in each level and finally got tired of it because I spend 90% of the game killing easy enemies (the only normal guys i remember being really difficult were those octopus guards they were challenging).

Maybe because I'm a really patience gamer, but I never got bored or frustrated by repeating same areas again, like I said I was getting better at the game, and each enemy kill felt like an achievement (especially the bosses). 

Monster Hunter also does this job (at least for me) in a great way, you die a lot killing one monster, but you start learning it's pattern and when to attack, so when you finally kill it it's extremely satisfying.  

Again, maybe this is because I'm a really patience guy in general. I rarely get angry or frustrated in video games or real life.

I don't mind dying on an enemy often and having to learn their patterns.  I don't mind playing a level again if it's actually a challenge for most of it.  Most enemies didn't feel like an achievement because they were pretty easy.  I mean there are a couple like wraiths or octoguards that felt satisfying but most levels had a gazillion easy guys that I killed just as easily the first time as the 3rd time.  The bosses are pretty much the only thing I felt that accomplishment on with the exception of a couple enemies.




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RazorDragon on 16 March 2013
DieAppleDie said:
RazorDragon said:
These days I automatically select the hardest mode upon starting a game. Never had any problem doing that until I did that with Ghost of Sparta on the PSP... But, yeah, most games nowadays are child's play.



Try beating Gun on Crazy difficulty level....


I finished Ys Origin on Nightmare, I think i'm ready for your challenge.



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richardhutnik on 16 March 2013
bananaking21 said:

something i noticed this gen is that games are becoming much easier than before. honestly when playing a game nowdays on "normal mode" now is when you can play the game without any real challenge and die very very little times.

its actually starting to annoy me. specially when games dont have a difficulty mode like assassin's creed, gosh that game is really, really easy. most of the times i failed a mission in that game is from when the AI acts stupid or a bug in the game happens. 

i also find shooters to be really easy now days. for example, black ops, one of the easiest games i ever played

do you agree?

Are you playing them on the hardest setting?  If you don't play a game on the hardest setting, then don't complain about them being too easy.  And if you talk FPS, try playing against human opponents.



TheKoreanGuy on 16 March 2013

I miss the days when 'Game Over' used to really mean game over.



bananaking21 on 16 March 2013
richardhutnik said:
bananaking21 said:

something i noticed this gen is that games are becoming much easier than before. honestly when playing a game nowdays on "normal mode" now is when you can play the game without any real challenge and die very very little times.

its actually starting to annoy me. specially when games dont have a difficulty mode like assassin's creed, gosh that game is really, really easy. most of the times i failed a mission in that game is from when the AI acts stupid or a bug in the game happens. 

i also find shooters to be really easy now days. for example, black ops, one of the easiest games i ever played

do you agree?

Are you playing them on the hardest setting?  If you don't play a game on the hardest setting, then don't complain about them being too easy.  And if you talk FPS, try playing against human opponents.

yes i am playing them on the hardest settings. 

and yes i do play against humans, but they end up being my bitches after, so its not really challanging



platformmaster918 on 16 March 2013
TheKoreanGuy said:
I miss the days when 'Game Over' used to really mean game over.

so you want us to start the whole game over when we run out of lives?  no thanks




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TheKoreanGuy on 16 March 2013
platformmaster918 said:
TheKoreanGuy said:
I miss the days when 'Game Over' used to really mean game over.

so you want us to start the whole game over when we run out of lives?  no thanks

No, but it makes me laugh when people rage quit at modern games. There are checkpoints literally everywhere. Casuals....