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sc94597 said:
Mazty said:

1)Yep. Makes sense doesn't it to only allow the economically, morally and politically educated to vote otherwise we are going against the system of logic we teach in the education system. Also why do you need detailed knowledge of what is going on? You simply don't; paranoia isn't a reason.

2)Yeah thats just paranoia with no basis in reality for the current US government.

3)Obviouly you did not see what happened when starbucks failed to pay tax in the UK? Revenue bombed, and therefore they ended up paying tax. Demand goes down if people don't agree with the ethics of a company.

4)Propoganda in the US is not from the government but from corporations and is merely the exercise of freedom of speech as you have access to the truth if you want it. Are you saying we should remove the freedom of speech because someones praise for something could be interpreted as propoganda by someone else?

5)No you are being paranoid. You do not have the ability to access what a good judgement call is in terms of terrorism but still insist on seeing the information. That's ridiculous - do you ask for a lengthy essay when a doctor diagnosises you?

Right killing some kid obviously means money. You only have wild paranoid speculation that that is the case. You are simply being paranoid and ungreatful. 

1. Paying taxes is a reason. I have a right to tell them how to use my money, regardless of how stupid or immoral I might be. Although the alternative is not giving my money to some third party and I like that one!

2. Because you know so much about the U.S government and the people in it. 

3. How is chick-file (anti gay) and walmart (sweatshops overseas) doing? 

4. We don't have easy access to the truth though. And no, I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying that the reason why corrupt people are in government is beacuse of media propaganda by corprorations, to substantiate the claim that corporations own the government. Since corporations own the government, there is a problem, which we must fix. My solution is smaller government with less power, and hence less incentive for corporations to use it to hurt people. 

5. I want to see a report, yes. I know plenty of people who are the same. It's called being informed and educated. 

You understand not a single thing about how the U.S government, its history, and how it works and the accepted principles that both left-wingers and right-wingers accept as truth. But apparently I should worship the federal state at an altar because all the freedoms and liberty weren't because of Americans of yesterday restricting government, lol, but because of government itself (according to you) lol. 


Lolwut no it's not. So are you saying because you pay taxes you can make a good call about how a country should be ran? Explain the logic there - self-entitlement isn't a justifiable reason.

You have no reason to think they are sociopaths therefore to treat them as such is paranoia.

No idea, but nevertheless it shows that if people care enough, they can boycott companies.

You have google. You have access to the truth; the question is do you really have the motivation to find it? Yes the US does have an issue with corporate corruption, but that doesn't mean you need to know every move the government makes and is wholly independent of drone strikes (walmart and drones? wut?)  Why would corporations want to hurt people? They want to make money; their not sadists...

But you are not informed and educated. Informing you of judgement calls made is beyond what you know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

Why go into depth when you are not educated enough on the topic at hand?

If you really think the US government is a bunch of corrupt socio-paths, leave. You have literally no reason to believe what you do.



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Mazty said:
sc94597 said:
Mazty said:

1)Yep. Makes sense doesn't it to only allow the economically, morally and politically educated to vote otherwise we are going against the system of logic we teach in the education system. Also why do you need detailed knowledge of what is going on? You simply don't; paranoia isn't a reason.

2)Yeah thats just paranoia with no basis in reality for the current US government.

3)Obviouly you did not see what happened when starbucks failed to pay tax in the UK? Revenue bombed, and therefore they ended up paying tax. Demand goes down if people don't agree with the ethics of a company.

4)Propoganda in the US is not from the government but from corporations and is merely the exercise of freedom of speech as you have access to the truth if you want it. Are you saying we should remove the freedom of speech because someones praise for something could be interpreted as propoganda by someone else?

5)No you are being paranoid. You do not have the ability to access what a good judgement call is in terms of terrorism but still insist on seeing the information. That's ridiculous - do you ask for a lengthy essay when a doctor diagnosises you?

Right killing some kid obviously means money. You only have wild paranoid speculation that that is the case. You are simply being paranoid and ungreatful. 

1. Paying taxes is a reason. I have a right to tell them how to use my money, regardless of how stupid or immoral I might be. Although the alternative is not giving my money to some third party and I like that one!

2. Because you know so much about the U.S government and the people in it. 

3. How is chick-file (anti gay) and walmart (sweatshops overseas) doing? 

4. We don't have easy access to the truth though. And no, I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying that the reason why corrupt people are in government is beacuse of media propaganda by corprorations, to substantiate the claim that corporations own the government. Since corporations own the government, there is a problem, which we must fix. My solution is smaller government with less power, and hence less incentive for corporations to use it to hurt people. 

5. I want to see a report, yes. I know plenty of people who are the same. It's called being informed and educated. 

You understand not a single thing about how the U.S government, its history, and how it works and the accepted principles that both left-wingers and right-wingers accept as truth. But apparently I should worship the federal state at an altar because all the freedoms and liberty weren't because of Americans of yesterday restricting government, lol, but because of government itself (according to you) lol. 


Lolwut no it's not. So are you saying because you pay taxes you can make a good call about how a country should be ran? Explain the logic there - self-entitlement isn't a justifiable reason.

You have no reason to think they are sociopaths therefore to treat them as such is paranoia.

No idea, but nevertheless it shows that if people care enough, they can boycott companies.

You have google. You have access to the truth; the question is do you really have the motivation to find it? Yes the US does have an issue with corporate corruption, but that doesn't mean you need to know every move the government makes and is wholly independent of drone strikes (walmart and drones? wut?)  Why would corporations want to hurt people? They want to make money; their not sadists...

But you are not informed and educated. Informing you of judgement calls made is beyond what you know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

Why go into depth when you are not educated enough on the topic at hand?

If you really think the US government is a bunch of corrupt socio-paths, leave. You have literally no reason to believe what you do.


You have no concept of self government.  You would run when things got hard or better kneel.



snyps said:
Mazty said:

Lolwut no it's not. So are you saying because you pay taxes you can make a good call about how a country should be ran? Explain the logic there - self-entitlement isn't a justifiable reason.

You have no reason to think they are sociopaths therefore to treat them as such is paranoia.

No idea, but nevertheless it shows that if people care enough, they can boycott companies.

You have google. You have access to the truth; the question is do you really have the motivation to find it? Yes the US does have an issue with corporate corruption, but that doesn't mean you need to know every move the government makes and is wholly independent of drone strikes (walmart and drones? wut?)  Why would corporations want to hurt people? They want to make money; their not sadists...

But you are not informed and educated. Informing you of judgement calls made is beyond what you know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

Why go into depth when you are not educated enough on the topic at hand?

If you really think the US government is a bunch of corrupt socio-paths, leave. You have literally no reason to believe what you do.


You have no concept of self government.  You would run when things got hard or better kneel.


Self government...because Somalia is doing just peachy...

It's a completely ludicrous idea that'd never work in the modern world.



Mazty said:
snyps said:
Mazty said:

Lolwut no it's not. So are you saying because you pay taxes you can make a good call about how a country should be ran? Explain the logic there - self-entitlement isn't a justifiable reason.

You have no reason to think they are sociopaths therefore to treat them as such is paranoia.

No idea, but nevertheless it shows that if people care enough, they can boycott companies.

You have google. You have access to the truth; the question is do you really have the motivation to find it? Yes the US does have an issue with corporate corruption, but that doesn't mean you need to know every move the government makes and is wholly independent of drone strikes (walmart and drones? wut?)  Why would corporations want to hurt people? They want to make money; their not sadists...

But you are not informed and educated. Informing you of judgement calls made is beyond what you know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8

Why go into depth when you are not educated enough on the topic at hand?

If you really think the US government is a bunch of corrupt socio-paths, leave. You have literally no reason to believe what you do.


You have no concept of self government.  You would run when things got hard or better kneel.


Self government...because Somalia is doing just peachy...

It's a completely ludicrous idea that'd never work in the modern world.


I see I was right



snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:

You have no concept of self government.  You would run when things got hard or better kneel.


Self government...because Somalia is doing just peachy...

It's a completely ludicrous idea that'd never work in the modern world.


I see I was right

Well please explain your argument because at the moment it is nothing more than a pathetic ad hominem as you've seemed to have forgotten that a key idea of democracy is self-governance, hence why your point seemed to make no sense. 



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Mazty said:
snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:

You have no concept of self government.  You would run when things got hard or better kneel.


Self government...because Somalia is doing just peachy...

It's a completely ludicrous idea that'd never work in the modern world.


I see I was right

Well please explain your argument because at the moment it is nothing more than a pathetic ad hominem as you've seemed to have forgotten that a key idea of democracy is self-governance, hence why your point seemed to make no sense. 


I have no intention to discuss the matter with someone who doesn't understand the merits of self government.



snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:

I see I was right

Well please explain your argument because at the moment it is nothing more than a pathetic ad hominem as you've seemed to have forgotten that a key idea of democracy is self-governance, hence why your point seemed to make no sense. 

I have no intention to discuss the matter with someone who doesn't understand the merits of self government.

Something which is a key idea to democracy and therefore already embedded into the US government as a whole....What is your point? And to so quickly reject all other rules of government is nothing more than complete ignorance & arrogance on your behalf - there is no perfect form of government hence why you can't just act as if one is the best. 



Mazty said:
snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:

You have no concept of self government.  You would run when things got hard or better kneel.


Self government...because Somalia is doing just peachy...

It's a completely ludicrous idea that'd never work in the modern world.


I see I was right

Well please explain your argument because at the moment it is nothing more than a pathetic ad hominem as you've seemed to have forgotten that a key idea of democracy is self-governance, hence why your point seemed to make no sense. 


I have no intention to discuss the matter with someone who doesn't understand the merits of self government.



Something which is a key idea to democracy and therefore already embedded into the US government as a whole....What is your point? And to so quickly reject all other rules of government is nothing more than complete ignorance & arrogance on your behalf - there is no perfect form of government hence why you can't just act as if one is the best. 



Self government is more than a pretty word. It means self involvement. Knowing monetary policy, knowing what bills are being passed through congress. Participating in your party, running for elections. Not letting the "experts" do anything they choose. Btw. The only legitimate form of government is self government.



snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:

I have no intention to discuss the matter with someone who doesn't understand the merits of self government.

Something which is a key idea to democracy and therefore already embedded into the US government as a whole....What is your point? And to so quickly reject all other rules of government is nothing more than complete ignorance & arrogance on your behalf - there is no perfect form of government hence why you can't just act as if one is the best. 

 


Self government is more than a pretty word. It means self involvement. Knowing monetary policy, knowing what bills are being passed through congress. Participating in your party, running for elections. Not letting the "experts" do anything they choose. Btw. The only legitimate form of government is self government.


No dude you are making up your own definition:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-government

self-gov·ern·ment (slfgvrn-mnt)

n.
1. Political independence; autonomy.
2. Popular or representative government; democracy.
3. Self-control.

How is a benevolent dictator not "legitimate"? How is one government more "legitimate" than another? You seem to think you have the answers to something which is as ambigious as morality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Forms_of_government



Mazty said:
snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:
Mazty said:
snyps said:

You have no concept of self government.  You would run when things got hard or better kneel.


Self government...because Somalia is doing just peachy...

It's a completely ludicrous idea that'd never work in the modern world.


I see I was right

Well please explain your argument because at the moment it is nothing more than a pathetic ad hominem as you've seemed to have forgotten that a key idea of democracy is self-governance, hence why your point seemed to make no sense. 


I have no intention to discuss the matter with someone who doesn't understand the merits of self government.



Something which is a key idea to democracy and therefore already embedded into the US government as a whole....What is your point? And to so quickly reject all other rules of government is nothing more than complete ignorance & arrogance on your behalf - there is no perfect form of government hence why you can't just act as if one is the best. 



Self government is more than a pretty word. It means self involvement. Knowing monetary policy, knowing what bills are being passed through congress. Participating in your party, running for elections. Not letting the "experts" do anything they choose. Btw. The only legitimate form of government is self government.




No dude you are making up your own definition:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-government

self-gov·ern·ment (slfgvrn-mnt)

n.
1. Political independence; autonomy.
2. Popular or representative government; democracy.
3. Self-control.

 

How is a benevolent dictator not "legitimate"? How is one government more "legitimate" than another? You seem to think you have the answers to something which is as ambigious as morality:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Forms_of_government


I rest my case