to me forza looks to "fake". the car models have WAY to much reflections and everything is SO shiny. the models seem better true, but drive club gives that gritty dirty look that all cars have. they just arent perfectly clean if you know what i mean. the lighting in forza just is just too shiny. it doesnt have that realistic look to it at all. 

also the enviroments in drive club look a billion times better than in forza. another thing, that dynamic lighting is just insane, the ligting literally changes mid race. im not into racers so i dont know if that happens in current gen games but its insane

I don't even think the models are better, do you see the trailer! Fucking spot on with every car. Besides this day in age, the only way on modle would be better than the other is dev layzness. And hearing them talk about it, sounds like their modles will be equal. 

Where are you getting this from?

"- DLC is not being considered quite yet. All efforts for the time being are on finishing the game."

I'm actually okay with this. I hate it when devs already have the DLC finished BEFORE the game even launches -.-

That is definitely something I find very annoying about Forza. Shit is way too shiny and sparkly. What is it trying to be, one of those vampires in twilight?

got the list from gaf. Some indie Playstation panel had taken place at PAX

http://gematsu.com/2013/08/scea-forms-third-party-production-team

Very interesting.

lol i have your old psn. add me ktay95 ive got FF14 on PS3, what server you playing on?

Finished journey, most relaxing game ever!

Indeed! Probably more Japan-only title will be released now on other continents. Also, they will probably port bigger titles to PS Vita.