Firelore said: DreamsCast said: nickg said: Even if the 10.4 million number was reached by consoles 'shipped' to retailers, by your accounting of sold, that leaves some 2 million consoles unsold in inventory somewhere. I don't doubt there's inventory in the world, but that much? Is there something wrong with everyone's just in time inventory? Would retailers carry that much stock? It's not like it's not moving. We know it is moving. The number of sold as of December, I bet is 9 million something. Otherwise, we're not going to see any shipments from Microsoft in January, if there's 2 million units unsold out there. Well I think scenes of a couple of hundred X360s in shops are not uncommon. How many shops in North America alone, 5000? There's a million alone. Same with UK, same with the rest of Europe, France, Australia. Plus units being shipped as we speak, plus units in warehouses, shop stores etc etc. 2 million unsold units is not that difficult to imagine, or indeed uncommon. There must be something like 6-7 million unsold PSPs if you look into it. Also, do shipped units include replacements / refurbishments? Display units, promotional units? I'm not getting back into this conversation but I have to say that a retailer with a couple hundred x360's setting around is VERY uncommon. A couple HUNDRED?!? I went buy Gamestop last night. Yes they had some 360's in....3 of them. I called my local Best Buy and they had 20. I'm not saying that the retail stores in my area are a demonstration of the whole country but it doesn't make sense for you to say that all the retail stores in N.America have 200 sitting around.

Wii_gamer said: Now having conceded this, you keep quoting Microsoft's 10.4m and just use an argument that they must have sold close to this to support your claims. You have also dropped from saying the figure should be 10m to something like 8.7m so you're almost there now

Monty said: Could someone list the specific Best Buy that has 200 available, I'd like to call them to verify this. Most Best Buys do not keep anywhere near 200 on stock, and I think it's a gigantic exaggeration that is easy to prove or disprove... and again, I'll gladly call if somebody gives me a specific location. I'd be very interested in talking to the manager that has stockpiled that many. Again, this is easy to verify or disprove. Give me all these locations that have 200! And, also, again... this is all anecdotal evidence. I can say that I was in Best Buy the other day and they had 15 in stock. I went to Toys R Us and they were sold out. I went to GameStop and they had 3... all well below pre-Xmas levels, but you know what that means? Absolutely nothing.

Stromprophet said: Monty said: Could someone list the specific Best Buy that has 200 available, I'd like to call them to verify this. Most Best Buys do not keep anywhere near 200 on stock, and I think it's a gigantic exaggeration that is easy to prove or disprove... and again, I'll gladly call if somebody gives me a specific location. I'd be very interested in talking to the manager that has stockpiled that many. Again, this is easy to verify or disprove. Give me all these locations that have 200! And, also, again... this is all anecdotal evidence. I can say that I was in Best Buy the other day and they had 15 in stock. I went to Toys R Us and they were sold out. I went to GameStop and they had 3... all well below pre-Xmas levels, but you know what that means? Absolutely nothing. I will go take some pictures for you and put em up on my myspace page....yeah, I said it was anecdotal, I put that disclaimer on there.

Monty said: Why not give me the location? That would prove it SO much more than a picture. I'll get a hard answer and we'll see if somebody was exaggerating, or not. And to give you an idea about how many 200 is.. if you stack 7 Xbox 360 boxes sideways (the short way), it will be about as tall as a 6 foot guy. To get 200 of those, you'd have to have nearly 30 stacks. So, it's like standing 30 people in the middle of a Best Buy isle to get 200...

Stromprophet said: Monty said: Why not give me the location? That would prove it SO much more than a picture. I'll get a hard answer and we'll see if somebody was exaggerating, or not. And to give you an idea about how many 200 is.. if you stack 7 Xbox 360 boxes sideways (the short way), it will be about as tall as a 6 foot guy. To get 200 of those, you'd have to have nearly 30 stacks. So, it's like standing 30 people in the middle of a Best Buy isle to get 200... Why don't you read my other post on the other thread Monty... 1) Employees will lie to you just as easily over the phone as someone on the net. If you had been looking for a Wii or PS3 in November you would know this. EB, BB, CC, Target, employees were instructed to lie about supplies. You honestly think you'll get a straight answer. 2) A 360 box is 7"X12"X11.5" The stacks were on 2 slabs that were at least 3ft in height 5ft in length and 5 ft in width. If you do the math that's about 125 consoles, 36" in height divided by 7" = 5 360s in height multiply by 5 feet in length and you have 1 360 per foot (12") and then multiply again by 5 ft in width (also 1 360 per foot). This tells me you know absolutely nothing at all. To give you an idea...you should learn about how to do "Volume Calculations"

Monty said: Your refusal to let me even call is perplexing. Let's just say that I have connections, and can find the exact answer for you very simply. And, it's nice to see how your 200 estimate just fell by 75 units to 125. Are you sure I'm the one that needs math help? Now do you see how anecdotal evidence means nothing?