Soooo pretty much doing what everybody is expecting them to do.

Oh cool thanks mate. I've been hearing good things about Sonys new phone. Too bad I don't know much about phones myself to compare haha.

Not a problem. I plan to get one myself, but not right away. I'm going to give my Samsung at least another year before I upgrade. And yea I've been hearing a lot about that phone as well. So naturally I want to give it a try. Either way, all electronics in my house are Sony products anyway (except for my phone). :D

No I am pointing out that there were actual genuine victims, and celebrating this news is taking pleasure in their misfortune. I don't like the notion of anybody being treated as if they were expendable. Sony with help from some rather insidious supporters actively perpetrated a campaign of misinformation. That is now seemingly resulting in decent gamers taking it up the ass. They were told they were getting a console that was going to have fantastic support for ten years, and now it is looking like they are only going to get half of that.

You know this may come as somewhat of a revelation to you, but I am a gamer first and foremost. I don't like to see my fellow gamers getting fucked over by any company. Especially if they get taken for a lot of fucking money. Sometimes what is best for Sony, or for the companies most rabid fans. Isn't what is in the interest of most of the gamers on the platform. If you have the money to buy the PS4, and buy all of these games starting on day one. Well that is wonderful for you, but you shouldn't be acting as if the people who are going to be staying with the PS3 for two or three more years deserve to be treated with such utter contempt by Sony.

Sony supporting its new platform is a good thing, but what isn't good is their obvious willingess to abandon their loyal customers on earlier platforms. Who may have believed they were going to get better then this. I mean it is nothing less then dispicable on their part. They didn't need to retask every single one of their studios to making games for the new platform. They could have held two or three back to support their other customers. Setting aside the PS3 for a moment how is this even remotely justifiable given that the Vita hasn't even been on the market for two years.

Maybe you can help me with this. Why is it I am the only one in this thread arguing that PS3/Vita owners deserve to be treated with more respect. What I want is for this community to acknowledge their worth. Seventy million plus customers are getting abandoned, and there is no good reason to let it pass without any comment being made on their behalf. Dwell on this for a moment. Even if you plan to move onto greener pastures. You are probably as of right now part of a community that is already having the screws put to it. Be glad that you are planning to get out, but take a moment to feel something for those that are going to be left behind.

How hard is it really to say good for me, but I feel sorry for the other guy. You know what the opposite of love is. It isn't hate, but indifference. Just plain not caring about the effect of something is going to have on someone else. If I buy the next box, and someone on my friends list cannot afford to buy one, and I found out that Microsoft wasn't going to be supporting that platform with first party games anymore. I would at least take a moment to recognize the unfairness of it all for them.

Let's keep the discussion on the PS3, not the Vita. As that's why I responded to you.

Again, no one geniunely expected the PS3 to have ten strong years of first party support. That strategy was never explicitly or implicitly stated by Sony. As you have admitted yourself, that was just a piece of fabricated rhetoric used by fanboys on internet forums. Since only a significantly small portion of PS3 owners browse internet forums, only a significantly small portion of PS3 owners have even heard of this strategy, let alone believed in its validity. The fact that a person browses internet forums and even knows what first party support is, means they are relatively informed of the industry, decreasing their chances for actually believing such nonsense to zero. So I don't think there were any "genuine victims" who expected the PS3 to recieve heavy first party support for ten years. If that's the argument you are trying to make then you need to provide me with some reason to believe people actually believed that crap that's spewed by fanboys.

For the sake of the argument, let's assume a few gullible people believed in the fanboys that said the PS3 would have strong first party support for ten years. How in any way does that mean Sony is screwing them over? Sony never made a commitment to ten strong years of first party support, so why should they be obligated to follow such a plan just because a few dimwits decided to trust extreme fanboys? That logic makes no sense. A company is not obligated to do what its extreme fanboys say they are going to do on the internet. Just because I repeatedly and passionately say a company will do X, doesn't mean the company has any reason to actually do X. Keep in mind the percentage of gamers who would have fell for this fanboy rhetoric is infinitesimally small, so Sony actually would only hurt an extremely population, and it still wouldn't be their fault; it would be the fault of the gamers for their extreme gullibility and the fault of fanboys for their lies.

Ignoring the above. In your later paragraphs, it seems like you're making the argument that a company should continue strong first party support during years 8+, regardless of what many may have believed from fanboys, or for what they have said. Why? Why is there an inherent moral obligation for a company to provide strong first party support for ten years? Never in the history of console gaming has any company provided such support. It's normal for them to decrease first party support after 6-7 years. So why is it bad when Sony does it, especially considering they never said it would? That's the nature of the business.  If you have a problem with Sony slowing support in the later years, then you have a problem with the general business of the industry. Besides, the PS3 will undoubtedly get relatively strong 3rd party support in its latter years, so Sony is actually above the norm in that regard.

i am most intersted in what SSM is up to for next gen

apparently its open world, as they were hiring for that

@jay520

I didn't say Sony was blameless. Sony themselves were the spin masters. Sony isn't any kind of victim. They wanted people to both misinterpret, and misrepresent their statements. Their being factually correct. Doesn't mean they were not intentionally constructed to mislead people. In this case they wanted to deceive people into believing that they had an intent that they really didn't have. Let me put it to you in a hypothetical form.

Lets say you and I were friends, and one night I ran into you on the street. I look you dead in the eyes with a smile on my face, and tell you don't go to that party, it is off the chain. You might assume that I just wasn't giving you credit for how cool you really are. So you decide that you will go to the party. You go to the front door, and hear the music blaring so you let yourself in, and close the door behind you. Before you even recognize that the room is a bloodbath, and that not three feet in front of you is a large rabid dog with the word IT branded into its forehead. You might have a second to realize that I am a supreme dick of a person before that animal rips your throat out.

Would I be innocent of your death. I didn't actually lie to you did I. Hell I wasn't the one who ripped your throat out. I must be as innocent as say Sony is innocent. The answer of coarse is no. Sure some lawyer may be able to twist it all into not being my fault at a trial, and if that lawyer was like the best lawyer ever he might get me off with that kind of logic. Out in the real world though that shit just doesn't fly. I did lie to you. It was just a lie of omission. I would have also been guilty of the intent to cause you real harm.

Sony is guilty in the same way. Firstly they didn't want people to interpret them correctly. Secondly their intent was to do actual harm. In my thought experiment my intent could have been anything from revenge to just being a total psychopathic bastard, but for Sony their intent was to steal money from customers by getting them to believe in false promises. The fact that they are used lies of omission to get what they wanted doesn't make them any cleaner. It just makes them more nefarious.

I will tell you something else most effective advertising is still word of mouth. The fanatic isn't locked in a cage in some dank dark basement. Only able to touch the world through online forums. These people have lives, friends, coworkers, take part in other mediums other then forums. Their footprint is greater then you imagine, and they sold this story to friends, family, and acquaintances. Who do you think those people are going to blame if they feel like they were lied to. I will give you a hit it wont be their friend. They will assume that Sony just lied to them too.

I don't know if those who feel victimized by this are legion, or even if we will hear their voice on this forum. It is kind of doubtful we will. They would almost instantly be victims of blind hate, and get shouted down as being the lowest fucking vermin. I do think that this combined with other perceived promises that weren't honored will probably see a rather large number of current platform owners not coming around for another go on the not so merry go round, and the fact that Sony isn't going to support those customers after the new platform comes out. Isn't exactly going to make them feel all fuzzy about Sony.

You are changing your argument. First you said people would be mislead because Sony fanatics were giving fabricated information. Now you are saying Sony themselves are the ones who are intentionally giving the fabricated information. 

Two problems with that. Firstly, you would have to prove that Sony meant tens years of strong first party support when they said the PS3 would have a ten-year life cycle. Provide me with some reasoning that logically means a ten-year life cycle likely implies ten years of strong first party support. Otherwise you're just touting your conjecture as fact. Not only is your assertion unprovable, but it's most likely false. Sony themselves has stated the ten-year life cycle in reference to their past consoles. So if you really want to spectate on what Sony means by ten-year life cycle, it likely means a life cycle similar to the PS2 & PSone. In which case, Sony hasn't decieved anyone because those consoles didn't have ten years of strong first party support.

The term "ten-year life cycle" is a term already with a definition by Sony (a life cycle similar to the PS2 & PSone). It's also a term which they've used a lot in reference to past consoles, so it's meaning isn't a mystery to anyone. This is different from your analogy. The phrase "it is off the chain" has a connotation different from what the speaker meant. Therefore the speaker did mislead the person. However, the phrase "ten-year life cycle", as used when applied to past Sony consoles, has only been used to mean ten years of general support and ten years of availability, since that's the most specific we can get looking at the PS2 & PSone. So there's no reason to believe someone would misinterpret that phrase, and certainly not with enough confidence to base their console purchase on it.

It looks like your latter paragraphs are changing your argument again. Now you're agreeing that fanatics are the one spreading the nonsense that Sony plans for ten years of strong first party support. Great, so what's the problem? What, some people may place their trust utterly in the word of these fanatics and will buy a console based off it? So what? Will they be disappointed with Sony? Maybe, but that's not what you were arguing in the beginning. You were arguing that Sony intentionally mislead and abandoned their fans. The fact that people trusted some fanatics does not support this point; Sony has no obligation to satisfy what its extreme fanatics says, especially if those fanatics deliberately twisted the meaning of Sony's words. 

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Just for you Dodece.

Dodece still trying to make a big deal out of nothing about anything Sony related. As always.

Your agenda may be well hidden behind your eloquence, but it's getting old quite fast.

Also, you don't. Need to put a period. After every 5 words.