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Heavenly_King on 26 February 2013
phinch1 said:
I saw capcom show clips from onimusha at the ps4 reveal (old game scenes) I hope this is a game that they bring back

when, and where? I did not see anything of that? Or they did so back-stage?



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phinch1 on 26 February 2013
Heavenly_King said:
phinch1 said:
I saw capcom show clips from onimusha at the ps4 reveal (old game scenes) I hope this is a game that they bring back

when, and where? I did not see anything of that? Or they did so back-stage?


I'll try and find it, when capcom came on stage and were talking about past games, they showed a clip "running behind them" not in main attention, of onimusha, it was a ps2 clip but still



Heavenly_King on 26 February 2013
phinch1 said:
Heavenly_King said:
phinch1 said:
I saw capcom show clips from onimusha at the ps4 reveal (old game scenes) I hope this is a game that they bring back

when, and where? I did not see anything of that? Or they did so back-stage?


I'll try and find it, when capcom came on stage and were talking about past games, they showed a clip "running behind them" not in main attention, of onimusha, it was a ps2 clip but still

I though, that in your previous post you were referring to Onimusha running on PS4 hardware XP

It was shown just to show how capcom games go in hand with the technology advancements of PS hardware.   They did the same with other PS2, PS1 and PSP games.   Nothing more, sadly.



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Kresnik on 26 February 2013

Microsoft fans seem desperate to play up the 10 year life cycle thing. I think it became pretty clear from the PS2's life from 2008 onwards what that meant. If you bought your PS3 hoping for first party titles until 2016... then I'm sorry, I guess, you very much got the wrong end of the stick =/

OT: I find this highly unlikely. Teams like Bend & Cambridge aren't big enough to develop titles for both Vita & PS4 at the same time.



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phinch1 on 26 February 2013
Heavenly_King said:
phinch1 said:
Heavenly_King said:
phinch1 said:
I saw capcom show clips from onimusha at the ps4 reveal (old game scenes) I hope this is a game that they bring back

when, and where? I did not see anything of that? Or they did so back-stage?


I'll try and find it, when capcom came on stage and were talking about past games, they showed a clip "running behind them" not in main attention, of onimusha, it was a ps2 clip but still

I though, that in your previous post you were referring to Onimusha running on PS4 hardware XP

It was shown just to show how capcom games go in hand with the technology advancements of PS hardware.   They did the same with other PS2, PS1 and PSP games.   Nothing more, sadly.

nahhh it put in brackets (old game scenes) ;)



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Dodece on 26 February 2013
Jay520 said:
Dodece said:
@BasilZero

I don't think it is about what I believe, or necessarily even what you believe. Most of the people who listened to, or read those comments. Probably thought that life cycle was synonymous with support cycle. As in continued first party support. His argument in support of his first statement made it seem like that was what he was talking about. That Sony was going to continue to provide first party support for its platform right up to the ten year mark. I had it explained to me as exactly that over and over again on these forums.

I know it isn't likely that Sony will ever be held to account for fostering false expectations. At least on these forums, and many other such forums such as this, but doesn't every promise broken, or at least perceived to have been broken. Damage the brand to one degree or another. What would you say to someone who thought that they were going to get that level of support for ten straight years. To keep them from holding a grudge against Sony, and maybe even deciding to stop gaming with them?

It is really a pretty good question that deserves a answer. We have a number of brand haters on these forums. That went from being supporters of a brand. Until they were slighted by that brand one too many times, and now they spit venom on those brands constantly. How do you turn somebody around based on what this story is tell us. I sure as hell have no clue as to how to do that.

I know it is a common practice on these forums to argue that the failings of another justifies the failings of oneself. The thing is that is just all about trying to change the subject. It isn't any kind of a defense. I cannot commit a crime against someone, and offer up as my defense. That somebody else committed a crime against somebody else, and since. That person and I are equally bad. I should be let off the hook for what I did. Microsoft and Nintendo didn't create this understanding in the heads of Sony fans. That is something Sony did to its fans.

Anyway back to the point. How do you explain to a Sony fan that may feel betrayed in this instance by Sony. That they aren't actually being betrayed?


Where did you ever get the implication that Sony meant the PS3 would get heavy first party support for ten years? I don't recall Sony saying that. What they did say was that the PS3 would have a ten-year life cycle, which can only be confidently interpreted as receiving support and being on sale for ten years. And as it stands now, nothing suggests that the PS3 won't have support during the next few years. They've even explained their ten-year plan by directly referencing the PS2 as an example. Meaning by ten-year plan, they mean a life cycle similar to the Ps2, rather than ten years of heavy first party support like you're suggesting. I'm not sure how you came up with that idea.

I was most certainly never under that illusion that Sony would offer up such a level of support. In fact a vociferously argued against that logic time and again. I repeatedly told members in this community that felt those comments were a absolute gaurantee. That they were anything but that, and that they were just plain meaningless. They were never a argument for anything. What I am referring to isn't the merit of the argument. Seeing as I entirely disagreed with it for the duration of the preceding generation.

What I am talking about is the myth that was perpetuated about these comments. By legions of Sony fans on these forums and others. While I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever. That a number of the people who treated this like a article of faith during debates. Were in fact utterly full of shit, and would say just about anything to exhonerate, or defend Sony no matter what.  That isn't to say however that to a number of posters who argued this point of view. That for them this was a promise carved into the bedrock. 

For better or worse the logic was never that Sony would provide support, but that Sony would provide a certain high level of support. Did a certain group of people blindly choose to believe they meant more then their literal meaning. I have to say absolutely, because I spent months arguing the meaningless of these statements to them. So there are people, and some of which are probably still on these forums today. That believed they would still get a strong stream of first party games on the platform for ten straight years.



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Sparks on 26 February 2013

I'm definitely curious to see what they come up with.



Weedlab on 26 February 2013
UnitSmiley said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

i wonder what naughty dog will show at E3? its gotta be U4!


Hmm. A lot of people want Uncharted, but a lot of people want to see a new Jak & Daxter too. Could be a whole new IP as well, who knows.

Bet it'll be awesome though :]


Somebody say they want to see some Kaz? He looks very boss like with the gray hair. Stress of the job!

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Jay520 on 26 February 2013
Dodece said:
Jay520 said:
Dodece said:
@BasilZero

I don't think it is about what I believe, or necessarily even what you believe. Most of the people who listened to, or read those comments. Probably thought that life cycle was synonymous with support cycle. As in continued first party support. His argument in support of his first statement made it seem like that was what he was talking about. That Sony was going to continue to provide first party support for its platform right up to the ten year mark. I had it explained to me as exactly that over and over again on these forums.

I know it isn't likely that Sony will ever be held to account for fostering false expectations. At least on these forums, and many other such forums such as this, but doesn't every promise broken, or at least perceived to have been broken. Damage the brand to one degree or another. What would you say to someone who thought that they were going to get that level of support for ten straight years. To keep them from holding a grudge against Sony, and maybe even deciding to stop gaming with them?

It is really a pretty good question that deserves a answer. We have a number of brand haters on these forums. That went from being supporters of a brand. Until they were slighted by that brand one too many times, and now they spit venom on those brands constantly. How do you turn somebody around based on what this story is tell us. I sure as hell have no clue as to how to do that.

I know it is a common practice on these forums to argue that the failings of another justifies the failings of oneself. The thing is that is just all about trying to change the subject. It isn't any kind of a defense. I cannot commit a crime against someone, and offer up as my defense. That somebody else committed a crime against somebody else, and since. That person and I are equally bad. I should be let off the hook for what I did. Microsoft and Nintendo didn't create this understanding in the heads of Sony fans. That is something Sony did to its fans.

Anyway back to the point. How do you explain to a Sony fan that may feel betrayed in this instance by Sony. That they aren't actually being betrayed?


Where did you ever get the implication that Sony meant the PS3 would get heavy first party support for ten years? I don't recall Sony saying that. What they did say was that the PS3 would have a ten-year life cycle, which can only be confidently interpreted as receiving support and being on sale for ten years. And as it stands now, nothing suggests that the PS3 won't have support during the next few years. They've even explained their ten-year plan by directly referencing the PS2 as an example. Meaning by ten-year plan, they mean a life cycle similar to the Ps2, rather than ten years of heavy first party support like you're suggesting. I'm not sure how you came up with that idea.

I was most certainly never under that illusion that Sony would offer up such a level of support. In fact a vociferously argued against that logic time and again. I repeatedly told members in this community that felt those comments were a absolute gaurantee. That they were anything but that, and that they were just plain meaningless. They were never a argument for anything. What I am referring to isn't the merit of the argument. Seeing as I entirely disagreed with it for the duration of the preceding generation.

What I am talking about is the myth that was perpetuated about these comments. By legions of Sony fans on these forums and others. While I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever. That a number of the people who treated this like a article of faith during debates. Were in fact utterly full of shit, and would say just about anything to exhonerate, or defend Sony no matter what.  That isn't to say however that to a number of posters who argued this point of view. That for them this was a promise carved into the bedrock. 

For better or worse the logic was never that Sony would provide support, but that Sony would provide a certain high level of support. Did a certain group of people blindly choose to believe they meant more then their literal meaning. I have to say absolutely, because I spent months arguing the meaningless of these statements to them. So there are people, and some of which are probably still on these forums today. That believed they would still get a strong stream of first party games on the platform for ten straight years.



So if you agree that the belief that the PS3 would get heavy first party support for ten years is fanboy nonsense, why are you playing this game pretending like this is something bad for Sony or reasonable consumers? All you've shown is that fanboys use stupid arguments when convenient. I guess this is you trying to get even with them?