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Forums - Nintendo - My respect for Nintendo as a publisher, and why I believe that Sony & Microsoft wish they were a little more like them.

Pavolink on 24 February 2013

Mario Kart Wii sales are amazing.



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F0X on 24 February 2013
Scoobes said:
F0X said:
Scoobes said:
If we're talking about games entering the mainstream then surely we should also be looking beyond the consoles to tablets and mobiles? Don't the Angry Birds games for instance have over 1 billion downloads?


Downloads =/= sales.

We have no idea how many of those downloads were for the free version.

True, but it's simply a different business model to that of most console games. If only 10% of those downloads are paid downloads, that's still a significant amount of money and then theres the in-app purchases and ad revenue that the developers/publishers will also see.


Right.

What I'm saying is that we don't have the tools to measure Angry Birds's success or compare it to any games on this list.



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naruball on 24 February 2013
BuckStud said:

While gamers love to wage war against each other as to who has the better system, the companies that make these systems have a different war to fight. While companies try to provide a product or service that their user base wants, in the end, it all comes down to being profitable. Of the big three video game system manufactures left, one has shown time and time again that they have what it takes to remain the king of video games. While Sony & Microsoft have their hands in a little bit of everything, Nintendo has stayed very focused on what they know and love. I think that the chart below of the top 50 selling video games of all time tells a lot about which company is truly committed to video games.

This chart speaks for itself.

@bolded one

What does selling a lot has to do with commitment to video games? Are COD developers more commited than the developers of Xenoblade or Ni No Kuni?

@bolded two

No, it doesn't. Prima facie one would assume that games on ps3/360 sell much worse than games on Nintendo platforms. Far from the case. Games made by Nintendo do well, but games made by third parties not as much. An uneducated on this matter person could easily not see this. NDS is one is one of the best selling consoles of all time and still hasn't sold as much software as consoles with significantly less hardware sales. Same for ps2 (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Needless to say, these numbers are impressive. What's less impressive is that most sales come from a few franchises. This is both good and bad, as Ninty doesn't have to work hard on innovation in terms of new ips (though the motion controllers were a revolution). Ps3 doing horribly for ps standards ended up being great for ps fans, as we got some of the best games ever this generation. 



Akvod on 24 February 2013

I mean, as a business, I think Nintendo is great. They have a very strong hold on a big and profitable segment (children). Check out all those Pokemon sales.

When you say "respect" though, I think people are thinking beyond profitability and sales. I mean, Justin Bieber sells a lot, but that doesn't mean people "respect" him as an artist.



Jay520 on 24 February 2013
BuckStud said:

 If you don't like Nintendo for whatever reason, that's your prerogative, but you have to respect the fact that they have kept our favorite hobby mainstream. "Hardcore" players simply are not enough to sustain the industry on their own.

It appears like you are contrasting "hardcore gaming" with Nintendo gaming, so by "hardcore" I assume you mean all non-Nintendo games. If that's your definition of "hardcore", then I largely disagree. Since the 5th generation to now, non-Nintendo games have done much better than Nintendo at sustaining the industry. Since their entry into the market, Nintendo has been cursed with steadily declining market reach, excluding the Wii, while non-Nintendo gaming has grown stronger.

Even during the 7th generation, non-Nintendo products reached a larger audience (PS3 & 360 combined instalbase), and were much more durable while the Wii fatigued; which is a testimate to their sustainability. The only time Nintendo was the indisputable king of gaming was during the NES and SNES. Since then, a certain non-Nintendo company has broadened the industry to much wider audiences than Nintendo ever has. It's fair to say that this company has pushed gaming to much further heights.

Software sales are obviously going to be higher for Nintendo games, but that doesn't do much to support your point. That doesn't show that Nintendo has pushed gaming further than other companies; it just shows that their strategy results in a higher software:hardware ratio, which doesn't mean much when determining who has pushed the market further. To see who has pushed the market further, we should look at hardware sales since they are a better determinant of install base. In which case, Nintendo is clearly not the King.