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ithis on 25 February 2013
CGI-Quality said:
Otakumegane said:
It's true though, they are.

Yes, but that doesn't answer his question.

OT: I don't how to answer, because on one hand, I am crazy excited for the new console. On the other, I know my PC will continue to lead. The only thing that bugs me is to see people that aren't PC gamers using it as a means to play-down the PS4.

I'm not so sure that your PC will continue to lead. Actually, I expect that no matter what you have in that box at home right now, if you don't upgrade it throughout the life time of the PS4, it will definitely NOT lead by it's second year, or, possibly, by launch.



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Michelasso on 25 February 2013
Kasz216 said:

That's because using GDDR5 for CPU use would be stupid since it's less effective then DDR3 for CPU use and more expensive.

Had Sony been planning 8 Gigs of Ram from the start they likely would of went with 4GB of GDDR5 and 4 of DDR3. 

The upgrade is likely just going to inclde bigger sticks of GDDR5 in the slots the original 4GB were going to be.

Also, the insults would be over the top even if you knew what you were talking about.


I know very much what I am talking about, thank you. GDDR5 has a much higher bandwidth which is beneficial for graphics, and higher latency, which is not good for general purposes computing. Still the PS4 is more or less a single purpose device. It's main job is to run video games, it doesn't have to run crap like MS Office.

In other terms it means that the few general purposes PS4 jobs, like access to the PS Store, sharing, web browsing, etc will be slower than in a PC, but not that much either, since the huge bottleneck is the network banwidth. Few specific tasks in the video games code may have a slowdown as well, but pretty much irrelevant compared to the benefit of moving large chuncks of high res textures and similar from a place to another and computing them. Also because the CPU makes good use of its L1 to L3 caches. In other words, for a video game console (and maybe only for it) to use an unified GDDR5 RAM as system memory as well is pretty much beneficial.

Last but not least Sony planned a GDDR5 only system since the beginning. The only thing that changed compared to the previous development consoles has been that such RAM doubled in size. To add DDR3 RAM would have meant to redesign the whole thing. Which is the reason why MS is too late to catch up (if the rumors about the next box having 8GB of DDR3 RAM and 32MB of ESRAM are correct like they were for the PS4 architecture).

Also, since when offending trolls is unpolite? Are you one of them to take offence? :p



Paquito on 25 February 2013

PC + NINTENDO = GAMER



Michelasso on 25 February 2013
zero129 said:

Then im sure your pretty wrong as going by the specs CGI has in his system he should be able to run 3 PS4 games at once at 60FPs .

But really he should have no problem running what the Ps4 is running at a much much higher res and higher FPS and higher settings no problem


Sure. At what cost? Probably with the same money one can run 4 PS4 games at once. Just buy 4 PS4.



outlawauron on 25 February 2013
zero129 said:
outlawauron said:
zero129 said:
outlawauron said:
New consoles just bring out the insecurities of PC gamers.

So then did the WiiU bring out the insecurities of Sony fans?. Ya know since a lot of them where going into wiiU threads and doing the same kinda thing PC users are doing now?.

I suppose it could, but the situation isn't very similar. PS4 has some good specs, games look great, PC gamers have to assert that PC graphics will always look better at each and every opportunity. Not sure how it could apply to Sony fans, unless your talking about Wii U and PS3 graphical comparisons (because it's sad/funny to think PS3 versions of games would look better than Wii U versions).

Funny thing is PC users say their games look better cos of the simple fact they do??. Anyway so what your saying PC users do i see a lot of that from console users (More so Sony fans) too. In fact your kinda just did it there by having to say to me how the PS4 has Good Specs and the games look great..

It's not about the fact, but the desire that some find to detrail whatever the topic is to reassure themselves that they're the "master race". The reason this happens is because PS4 showed the best looking game we've seen running on a console. That is all.



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ethomaz on 25 February 2013
zero129 said:

Trust me that type of system would be a lot more then 900 dollors lulz so your right on that xD



Nine tousand is 9k or 9000 no? Anyway the guy said that paid ~6000 for the PC.

_crazy_man_ on 25 February 2013
Paquito said:
PC + NINTENDO = GAMER

Yeah boi!

 



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ithis on 25 February 2013
CGI-Quality said:
ithis said:

I'm not so sure that your PC will continue to lead. Actually, I expect that no matter what you have in that box at home right now, if you don't upgrade it throughout the life time of the PS4, it will definitely NOT lead by it's second year, or, possibly, by launch.

Eh, I doubt the PS4 can top my current specs anytime soon, let alone what my plans are for 2014 when Maxwell technology is unleashed for GTX series. I'm not worried about it either way, though, because I'm excited for the PS4, and if games look better on it, exclusives - that is, more power to it!

But, based on  my specs right noe, which are far beyond what any next gen console will have in it, I'm not concerned about being "out-speced".


Hehe, I was hoping for a more moderate (i.e. reasonable) spec, that's true :P. (Congrats on your specs, I'm not gealous at all.)

but I'm still not convinced that the quality of the graphics Sonys in house studios will create in 6 years time could be matched by the (by then) old GTX690 or a pair of them. But that is a lot of power, si I could lose that easily. Resolution wise I will not take that bet though.



Kasz216 on 25 February 2013
Michelasso said:
Kasz216 said:

That's because using GDDR5 for CPU use would be stupid since it's less effective then DDR3 for CPU use and more expensive.

Had Sony been planning 8 Gigs of Ram from the start they likely would of went with 4GB of GDDR5 and 4 of DDR3. 

The upgrade is likely just going to inclde bigger sticks of GDDR5 in the slots the original 4GB were going to be.

Also, the insults would be over the top even if you knew what you were talking about.


I know very much what I am talking about, thank you. GDDR5 has a much higher bandwidth which is beneficial for graphics, and higher latency, which is not good for general purposes computing. Still the PS4 is more or less a single purpose device. It's main job is to run video games, it doesn't have to run crap like MS Office.

In other terms it means that the few general purposes PS4 jobs, like access to the PS Store, sharing, web browsing, etc will be slower than in a PC, but not that much either, since the huge bottleneck is the network banwidth. Few specific tasks in the video games code may have a slowdown as well, but pretty much irrelevant compared to the benefit of moving large chuncks of high res textures and similar from a place to another and computing them. Also because the CPU makes good use of its L1 to L3 caches. In other words, for a video game console (and maybe only for it) to use an unified GDDR5 RAM as system memory as well is pretty much beneficial.

Last but not least Sony planned a GDDR5 only system since the beginning. The only thing that changed compared to the previous development consoles has been that such RAM doubled in size. To add DDR3 RAM would have meant to redesign the whole thing. Which is the reason why MS is too late to catch up (if the rumors about the next box having 8GB of DDR3 RAM and 32MB of ESRAM are correct like they were for the PS4 architecture).

Also, since when offending trolls is unpolite? Are you one of them to take offence? :p

That's exactly what I said... had you bothered to read.  Hence why they don't have any DDR3, when the PS4 would  work better with 6 GDDR and 2 DDR3.

As for the above... you wouldn't need any more GDDR5 then you would on the graphics card to get any benefit out of it.  That's why you don't see ANY computer architecture out there for it.  It has no use... even if you wanted your PC to be purely dedicated for it.  Otherwise you'd see at least some computer designs that would.

Since the PS3 is essentially the same as a computer with an integrated graphics card.  (Though a much better one then currently offered integrated graphics cards.)

Having no DDR3 won't hurt a gaming machine much,(but does some) it doesn't help it however.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=515109

Is pretty informative on the whole thing... since our resident tech expert mod has more or less said "Fuck me, personally explaining stuff since it will just frustrate me because nobody is going to listen and continue to talk nonsense anyway. "

 

and Flaming people have been against forum rules, for like... forever.  Calling people trolls as well.  You may want to review forum rules if you want to stick around the website for a while.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/forum-rules.php#content



Kasz216 on 25 February 2013
CGI-Quality said:
ithis said:
CGI-Quality said:
Otakumegane said:
It's true though, they are.

Yes, but that doesn't answer his question.

OT: I don't how to answer, because on one hand, I am crazy excited for the new console. On the other, I know my PC will continue to lead. The only thing that bugs me is to see people that aren't PC gamers using it as a means to play-down the PS4.

I'm not so sure that your PC will continue to lead. Actually, I expect that no matter what you have in that box at home right now, if you don't upgrade it throughout the life time of the PS4, it will definitely NOT lead by it's second year, or, possibly, by launch.

Eh, I doubt the PS4 can top my current specs anytime soon, let alone what my plans are for 2014 when Maxwell technology is unleashed for GTX series. I'm not worried about it either way, though, because I'm excited for the PS4, and if games look better on it, exclusives - that is, more power to it!

But, based on  my specs right noe, which are far beyond what any next gen console will have in it, I'm not concerned about being "out-speced".

Also, the PS4 might not be as different as the PS3 launch and "Final" games, because the PS4 is essentially using PC arcihtecture so there will be less of a learning process.

Which is great because it should mean little to no ported monstrosities like the PS3 got early on because nobody really got how to use the console effectily.  This will just be like building for a computer with an extremely highpowered integrated graphics card.

That said, what kind of Graphic Card are you running.  I've seen low and high estimates on what the PS4 could be running. (Oh found them.  Damn. Nevermind.)